The Watering Hole, Monday, June 8, 2015: Denny and the Duggars – An Example Of Conservative Hypocrisy

The Duggar Family, famous for being on a show currently called “19 Kids and Counting…”, are now being infamous for their rank hypocrisy. In an exclusive, if somewhat disastrous, interview with Fox News Channel’s Megyn Kelly, the Duggar parents lied or distorted what the official records show happened. For example, it’s not true that they told the police “everything.” It’s not true that they presented Josh to the police for interrogation in 2006. It’s not true that none of the victims were aware that anything happened. One woke up and felt her shirt being lifted, so it’s not true that all the “inappropriate touching” was “above the clothes.” So there’s a number of things they said that were not true. Lies make baby Jesus cry.

Leviticus 19:11 You shall not steal, nor deal falsely, nor lie to one another. (*)

TLC’s page about the Duggar’s show describes them as having “values rooted in their strong personal faith.” Really? Strong “personal faith”? What is one’s “personal faith” but your own set of rules on how you think you should be allowed to live. It doesn’t equate to a “religious belief.” If it’s a “personal faith,” then who else is practicing it? I seriously question this lifestyle has anything to do with “religious freedom.” In the first place, Michelle and her daughters have no freedom. By the rules of their “Quiverfull Movement,” they are required to be completely subservient to their husbands, including the granting of sexual favors at his desire. That’s not religious freedom, that’s sexual slavery. The only person in that house that’s even remotely practicing a religion is Jim Bob Duggar, and I even question that. When your entire lifestyle is predicated on one passage of the Bible, then I say you are not practicing a religion at all, you are just taking one line out of context and fucking up a lot of people’s lives with it. In addition to all that, Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar are very active in the fight against LGBT rights. Last but not least before leaving the Duggars, there were also accusations made by the family that the police records were illegally released. That is another lie.

Dennis Hastert became Speaker of the House of Representatives after Newt Gingrich resigned amid a sex scandal, and after Bob Livingston resigned before he could even replace Gingrich after his own sex scandal came to light. Hastert presided over the House while it impeached President Bill Clinton for his sex scandal. Then the Mark Foley sex scandal broke out, and Hastert resigned as Speaker over his handling of it. Now we can suspect why. Hastert had his own secret sex scandal he tried to hide from back in his high school wrestling coach days. It seems he got a little too gropey-fondley with one of the students and ended up paying him lots and lots of money to keep it quiet. Or maybe it was two. But if he at least supported the rights of our fellow LBGT citizens, we wouldn’t be able to call him a hypocrite so easily. Unfortunately, we can.

As a federal legislator, Hastert voted regularly against bills to empower gay people. In Congress from 1997 to 2007, Hastert voted for the so-called “Marriage Protection Act,” and in favor of a constitutional amendment to “establish that marriage shall consist of one man and one woman.” The year he stepped down, Hastert voted no on the “Employment Non-Discrimination Act,” a bill to prohibit companies from discriminating against employees “on the basis of sexual orientation.”

Even the Associated Press noticed that Hastert got 100% ratings from the National Rifle Association (or NAMBLA), the Christian Coalition, the Chamber of Commerce, and the Right to Life Committee. You have got to be one deceitful bastard to get a 100% on your voting record from the Christian Coalition while you’re hiding a same-sex child molestation scandal in your past.

But what is it with these anti-LGBT conservatives? They love to quote the Bible, specifically…

Leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with another man as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood guilt shall be upon them.

They like to quote this as their justification for all these anti-LGBT laws. No doubt Scott Lively used this passage to convince Uganda to pass its famous “Kill Imprison Forever The Gays” bill. But here’s the thing. Just two chapters before it, there’s a very similar passage that says simply this:

Leviticus 18:22 You shall not lie with a man as one does with a woman. It is an abomination.

You might well ask what Chapter 18 says the penalty is for this identical crime, and you’d be wrong to assume it was also death. In fact, while a few of the abominations, depravities, and perversions have specific penalties mentioned, the rest fall under the umbrella of this

Leviticus 18:29 For whoever shall commit any of these abominations, those persons who commit them shall be cut off from among their people.

That’s a far cry from killing them, and closer to what the Ugandan bill that ultimately passed requires as a punishment (for being yourself.)

If you want to see some more confusing things from which these folks get their rules, I suggest you go to the link below (easiest way to scan the Bible), and closely compare Leviticus 18 and Leviticus 20. Many of the same offenses that get you cut off from your people in Lev 18 get you killed in Lev 20. And in between is Leviticus 19, which lists a bunch of other rules conservatives hypocritically ignore. For example, there’s

Leviticus 19:26 You shall not eat anything with the blood in it, nor shall you practice divination or fortune-telling.

Somebody tell that to Pat Robertson, please.

Like I said. Hypocrites.

(*) All Bible quotes were found using Bible Gateway using the Modern English Version (MEV).

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49 thoughts on “The Watering Hole, Monday, June 8, 2015: Denny and the Duggars – An Example Of Conservative Hypocrisy

  1. Wayne, certainly glad Uncle Pat’s ‘predictions’ didn’t come to fruition in 2014


    via culturainquieta
    (made of driftwood)

  2. Pat Robertson is to rational thought as 19 kids and counting is to The Learning Channel as Swamp People is to the History Channel. Cupcake Wars is to the Food Network or Parking Wars is to The Arts & Entertainment Channel.
    How low can you go?

    Don’t answer that. It’s a rhetorical question with no sensible answer.

  3. I have pretty much decided that anyone who loudly proclaims their support for “family values” is secretly doing something wrong.

    • And, if I might add, they are openly doing something to deny anyone the slightest bit different than themselves forming a family at all. It’s similar to groups with “freedom” in their names working tirelessly to deny someone basic human rights and dignity.

  4. There, no, their, no, they’re!

    Why You Can’t Spell

    You may have seen a poem by Gerard Nolst Trinité called The Chaos. It starts like this:

    Dearest creature in creation
    Studying English pronunciation,
    I will teach you in my verse
    Sounds like corpse, corps, horse and worse.

    In its fullest version, the poem runs through about 800 of the most vexing spelling inconsistencies in English. Eight hundred.

  5. The Bible is an antique Volume —
    Written by faded men
    At the suggestion of Holy Spectres —
    Subjects — Bethlehem —
    Eden — the ancient Homestead —
    Satan — the Brigadier —
    Judas — the Great Defaulter —
    David — the Troubador —
    Sin — a distinguished Precipice
    Others must resist —
    Boys that “believe” are very lonesome —
    Other Boys are “lost” —
    Had but the Tale a warbling Teller —
    All the Boys would come —
    Orpheus’ Sermon captivated —
    It did not condemn —
    (Emily Dickinson)

  6. I opened a package of 200 coffee filters on New Years Day and today I used the last one. The good news I just heard is that the Army has studied coffee and says it counts as part of daily water intake!

    • Follow

      Senator John ThuneVerified account
      Six million people risk losing their health care subsidies, yet @POTUS continues to deny that Obamacare is bad for the American people.

      South Dakota aren’t you embarrassed about voting this dolt into office?
      You should be!

      • I have come to the conclusion that anyone who still votes for GOoPers must be born without a sense of shame or has it surgically removed at puberty.

      • Thune got elected when Dick Cheney threatened to close Ellsworth Air Force Base on the BRAC list in 2005 if he didn’t. Ellsworth is the largest employer in South Dakota.

  7. Oops: Franklin Graham moves bank accounts from gay-friendly bank to one that sponsors gay pride events

    Evangelist Franklin Graham has found a new bank to handle his organization’s financial needs after pulling his money out and calling for a boycott of Wells Fargo Bank because he felt they were promoting a “godless lifestyle” by using gay couples in their ads.

    Unfortunately for Graham, his new bank is a major sponsor of the Miami Beach Gay Pride Parade as well as sponsoring a “Legacy Couples” program that celebrates committed relationships between same-sex couples.

  8. Rick Santorum finds only one voter waiting at Iowa campaign event, warns her about gay marriage
    …Santorum said that low turnout was all part of his plan.

    WHO-TV reported that the the crowds did not increase by much when he spoke at a diner in Carroll later in the day.

    “There were three of his own staffers, two Democratic campaign trackers, a waitress, a reporter, and just two diners,” the station noted.

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