The Watering Hole, Saturday, June 27th, 2015: Il Papa, Don’t Preach

Recently, “Il Papa”, Pope Francis, has pissed off several (often overlapping) factions of conservative “Christian” politicians, pundits, and what I’ve decided to call “pulpiteers”, aka Evangelicals. Apparently the Pope is only “infallible” when his flock agrees with his pronouncements or actions. I find it deliciously ironic that the first Pope in, well, “god” knows how long, to actually emulate the teachings and actions of Jesus Christ according to their own bible makes all of these faux christians so suspicious, dismissive, and ultimately hypocritical. I can just imagine one of the conversations:

Derp 1: “Washing the feet of poor people and criminals? Who the hell does that?”
Derp 2: “Well, according to the Bible, Jesus Christ did. Oh, and Christ fed the poor, too – you heard that Frankie wants all of us Christians to do that, too, right?”
Derp 1: “I know, is he crazy?! C’mon, that do-goody stuff isn’t supposed to be taken literally!”
Derp 2: “No, of course not, not those “New Testament” Jesus-y parts, anyway; just the parts about dominating the earth and all its resources, and the parts about stoning homos and wimmen and your kids if they sass you.”
Derp 1: “Exactly, that’s my point, we have to put the fear of god into these $chmuck$, er, potential voters!”

After already dissing unbridled capitalism and corporate greed, among other things, in his 2013 missive “Evangelii Gaudium: Apostolic Exhortation on the Proclamation of the Gospel in Today’s World”, last week Pope Francis issued his now-infamous encyclical focusing on man-made climate change, and his idea of the correct Christian, and, as he noted, human course of action necessary to combat it for the good of Planet Earth and all of her children.

While some Catholic and other Christian groups agreed with Pope Francis and are willing to preach his ‘gospel’ to their flocks, other self-proclaimed “Christians” pretty much think that either Pope Francis is wrong, or that he should mind his own goddam beeswax. In particular, the many Catholics (or whatever “Christian” flavor) among the numerous Republican 2016 Presidential hopefuls would prefer that the Pope stay quiet. From the ThinkProgress article:

“At a town hall event in New Hampshire…[Jeb] Bush said that religion “ought to be about making us better as people and less about things that end up getting into the political realm.”

 

“I hope I’m not going to get castigated for saying this by my priest back home,” Bush said, “but I don’t get my economic policy from my bishops or my cardinals or my pope.”

No, Jeb, you certainly don’t get your economic policy from your pope, otherwise you’d actually have to DO something to help the poor. And it doesn’t seem to be working out when it comes to “making [you] better as people”, unless somehow by “better” you mean “more hateful.”

However, you and your ilk seem perfectly happy to get your SOCIAL policy, in particular regarding women’s rights, abortion, and LGBT rights, from your pope and your bible.  And you definitely LOVE it when your flavor of religion ends up crafting legal policy for the entire country, you fuckwad.

The article goes on to say that:

“Bush’s views on climate change and religion have, at times, been contradictory. In May, the presidential candidate and brother of George W. Bush said that the science surrounding climate change was “convoluted.”

“For the people to say the science is decided on this is really arrogant, to be honest with you,” he said. “It’s this intellectual arrogance that now you can’t have a conversation about it, even.”

Once again, NO, Jeb, it’s NOT “intellectual arrogance” when the vast majority of scientists who have studied all of the data have come to the inevitable conclusion that global climate change is real, it’s mostly man-made, and it’s going to make the lives of your – and everybody else’s – grandchildren and greatgrandchildren a miserable hell.

And, of course, Rick Santorum had to get his twisted views out there:

““The Church has gotten it wrong a few times on science,” Santorum told radio host Dom Giordano. “We probably are better off leaving science to the scientists, and focusing on what we’re really good at, which is theology and morality.”

WHAT the huh? Morality? Wait, he’s got more:

“I’m saying, what should the pope use his moral authority for?” Santorum asked. “I think there are more pressing problems confronting the earth than climate change.”

Are you fucking kidding, Rantorum? Oh, hold on for the finish:

“When we get involved with controversial and scientific theories, I think the Church is not as forceful and not as credible,” Santorum continued. “I’ve said this to the Catholic bishops many times — when they get involved in agriculture policy, or things like that, that are really outside of the scope of what the Church’s main message is, that we’re better off sticking to the things that are really the core teachings of the Church as opposed to getting involved in every other kind of issue that happens to be popular at the time.”

Okay, for Jeb and Sick Rantorum and every other Catholic and self-proclaimed Christian: If you are true to your supposed faith, then every official utterance of Pope Francis or any other Pope is, according to YOUR dogma, the infallible transmission of the Word of your God. It doesn’t matter what the topic is, the Pope is supposed to be the unquestionable representative of your Trinity. And if you and your science-denying conservative cohorts DON’T think that global climate change is the MOST pressing problem confronting the Earth, then you don’t deserve to even be aspiring to the Presidency of these United States. Just sit down and shut up.

Anyhoo…NOW Pope Francis has done something to ruffle the feathers, to say the least, of Israel and her supporters: According to Foreign Policy Magazine:

“On Friday [June 26], the Vatican signed a comprehensive treaty with Palestinian authorities, formalizing a basic agreement between the Catholic Church and the PLO back in 2000. In essence, it is a formal declaration of the Holy See’s support for the creation of a Palestinian state and the peace process with Israel. “[I]t is my hope that the present agreement may, in some way, be a stimulus to bringing a definitive end to the long-standing Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which continues to cause suffering for both Parties,” wrote Vatican foreign minister Archbishop Paul Gallagher.”

 

“The news is not going over well in Tel Aviv. “This hasty step damages the prospects for advancing a peace agreement, and harms the international effort to convince the Palestinian Authority to return to direct negotiations with Israel,” said Israeli foreign ministry spokesman Emmanuel Nahshon.”

 

“[G]iven its sordid history of anti-Semitism, book-burnings, forced conversions and Inquisitions, the Catholic Church should think a hundred times over before daring to step on Israel’s toes,” wrote Michael Freund, former deputy communications director to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, in the Jerusalem Post on May 18. “If anything, the pope should be down on his knees pleading for forgiveness from the Jewish people and atonement from the Creator for what the Vatican has wrought over the centuries.”

I’m really starting to enjoy this new Pope Francis reality show (especially as a former Catholic) – it beats the hell out of Donald Trump’s “The Apprentice Asshole” or “19 and Groping.”  Heh.

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47 thoughts on “The Watering Hole, Saturday, June 27th, 2015: Il Papa, Don’t Preach

  1. Activist climbs pole, takes down Confederate flag outside S.C. Capitol

    An activist, who calls herself Bree, took it down herself around 6:30 a.m., the Black Lives Matter movement said in a statement. Video shows her climbing the flagpole on the State House grounds in Columbia just after sunrise, as a number of people look on from the ground.

    Andy Stepanian with Fitzgibbon Media, a company that’s doing public relations work pro bono for Black Lives Matter, told CNN that Bree was arrested and the flag was taken away from her.

    The woman was charged with defacing a monument, as was a man who was standing inside the wrought-iron fence enclosure, according to the S.C. Department of Public

  2. Speaking of environment and climate, the latest in Republican insanity reads:

    Republicans Introduce Bill Based On The Idea That Environmentalists Caused California’s Drought

    If the damn tree huggers wouldn’t have stopped California from building more dams and reservoirs . . . etc.

    A new bill introduced in the House of Representatives is pushing for new ways to combat California’s epic drought. But it’s doing so based on the premise that environmental policy — not climate change — is making the drought so bad in the state.

    Right. All we gotta do is release more water from them dried up reservoirs! But as Jay Famiglietti, senior water scientist at the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory at the California Institute of Technology put it,

    “There is zero truth to any argument that attempts to characterize the current California drought as man-made,” he said. “All you need to do is look at up the mountains and realize that there is no snow, look at the reservoirs and see that they are nearly empty, and look at last January to see that it was the driest on record. A lack of infrastructure is not the issue when there is nothing to put in it.”

    I’m sure the GOoPers are incapable of understanding the simple fact that reservoirs need rain and snow melt to fill them up. That can’t be because climate change is a hoax, as we all know. Right?

    Uh huh. Viva Il Papa! Frankie clearly has more mental capacity than the entire GOP combined.

    • Many of politicians don’t realize California does not get rain in the summer. No snow on the mountain means no water.

      • What’s weird is that the bill was introduced by Rep. David Valadao (R-CA) — I would think he might have at least an idea as to how things like reservoirs work, but apparently not. Kinda like Carly Fiorina who has made similar arguments, saying that if only CA had more reservoirs . . . etc. I’m beginning to assume that anyone with an “R” in their title is definably stupid. But then I guess I’ve known that for at least several weeks decades.

        • You are correct sir, about the R.

          Valadao is from the San Joaquin Valley – farming, water has always been generously alloted to them at nominal cost. Now that water is more precious than platinum he must ‘fight’ (eventhough it appears he really doesn’t know a thing about how we get water).

          • “We gits our water from the mountains and the lakes up thar. Now they wants ta give it t’ them lazy bums in the cities cuz it’s dry in them cities.” Etc.

  3. Judge Garcia of Dallas County, Texas, yesterday:

  4. Fox’s Kelly Brings On Hate Group Leader To Discuss Same-Sex Marriage Ruling

    Kelly’s guest was nutcase Tony Perkins, who said (highlights mine)

    Religion is so entwined with who we are as a nation. I mean, that’s why we have this nation; it was founded upon that freedom to believe, the freedom to live your life according to your beliefs. That’s at stake here. And for Christians, for Evangelicals, those who follow the Bible, this is not an issue that can be negotiated away.

    He just perfectly summed up the reason I have no time for evangelicals or for anyone else who, like Perkins, believes that only his/their own particular mythology counts, that everybody else has to play their game. His problem is, as he clearly states, that EVERYONE has “the freedom to live your life according to your beliefs.”

    Seems to me that non-Christians, atheists, gay people, Muslims, ALL PEOPLE! have the right to believe and practice whatever the hell they wish, and NOBODY — including a fundie nutcase — has the right to dictate/impose THEIR limits/beliefs. Period. Gay marriage (to borrow a line from Thomas Jefferson) “does not pick my pocket or break my leg and therefore it’s no harm to me,” ergo is every bit as valid a civil function as marriage in a fundie church. Period.

    What the hell is so difficult about that to comprende?

    • It is difficult for them to comprehend because when they see someone else living by different rules and not being punished then they find it harder to justify their own ideology. That and sheer bloody-minded hatefulness.

      • I agree. There are also those (fundie Islamists, e.g.) who see Christians not being punished for THEIR beliefs and get really pissed off in result. “Sheer bloody-minded hatefulness” seems to describe all fundamentalists everywhere. I wonder why that is? God/Allah/Yahweh must be a real buttcake to put up with such manifest horse hockey.

        • That’s where our ability to comprehend runs short. Not being full of bloody-minded hatefulness myself I can recognize it and describe it but I can’t feel it or understand why anyone would be willing to live a life that seems, at best, exhausting.

    • I don’t understand how the narrow minded can say such things about religious freedom without having their heads explode from cognitive dissonance.

      • I talked to a young man last night who was out to get drunk over the issues. He was a christian who hasn’t been to church in “years.”

        • You have a point. I like to ask the “pro-voucher so I can afford to send my child to a private Christian school” folks how they feel about tax money funding madrassas. They usually oppose it without pause. No lightbulb turns on.

        • No cognitive in any of them, only dissonance. Hate and fear driven. Seems so odd for folks who call themselves Christian, or Muslim for that matter. AFAIK, hate is not fundamental to either one, but yet it seems to drive major portions of each. Weird, but common.

  5. True Christians believe the Pope is aligned with Satan. They also believe God gave man dominion over the Earth, to subdue it and exploit it for profit. When man profits by plundering the Earth’s resources, it is God’s will. When disasters happen as a result, it is God’s wrath against the unchurched – meaning all that are not True Christians.

    In my opinion, those that call themselves True Christians are members of a cult. They are taught to disregard all facts that contradict their beliefs as coming from Satan. They believe that they are right and everyone else is wrong. Their indoctrination leaves them impervious to facts, reason and logic. Their beliefs align with promoting the interests of the leisure/ruling class, for whom they act as foot soldiers in the War on Christianity.

    And indeed there is a War on Christianity. It is a war promulgated by True Christians against all other people who believe themselves to be Christians.

    • “They also believe God gave man dominion over the Earth, to subdue it and exploit it for profit.”

      How often is the word “profit” mentioned in the buybull? Do you think that the Dominionists think that “prophet” was just a misspelling of “profit”?

      • I posted the link yesterday — Inhofe is critical of the Pope’s climate encyclical — he says the Pope worships the Creation, not the Creator.

        I can’t quite decide on the lowest elected IQ in DC. Inhofe? Gohmert? Toss-up.

    • petelngh, that is just perfect. I hear Les reporting!

      CNN is useless as far as ‘news’ is concerned.

    • And to really put the icing on this cake, CNN reporter Lucy Pawle then deleted her video and tried to deny she ever reported this:

      hmm, she must have some Repugnant party in her dna.

  6. Yes, I know, the Sunday Roast is late AGAIN. Oops.

    I need to get to the store before it gets too hot, and then I’m on it.

      • 72 here. Our rain came through yesterday. I’d have opened a window if the cats wouldn’t shred the fiberglass screen and escape.

        • Our cats, luckily, don’t try to get out through the screen. I like to keep at least one window open so that they can sit and smell/watch what’s going on outside. Until we got Squiggy, as long as the weather was decent we would normally leave a front window open sans screen so that the other cats could go in and out without our assistance/presence. (in the olden days, when we had a lot of feral cats hanging around, occasionally we’d get an intruder come in, too, but most of them were too skittish to do so,) We just don’t trust Squiggy enough to allow him free access to the front yard–he’s still, surprisingly, quite oblivious to the idea of ‘danger’, and doesn’t seem to learn from any of his escapades going wrong.

      • Only 89 here today — so a definite cool down. We’ll be back into the high 90s this coming week. Wah. 😦

        Sunday Roast is up!

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