The Watering Hole; Thursday July 2 2015; Recent Supreme Court Decisions and Wingnut Analysis Thereof

As we all know, there are times when no matter what one says or how s/he says it, it remains virtually impossible to summarize the ignorant subtleties implicit in various statements of position by those who, in their own definition, are consummate (right wing) experts on the topics at hand. It’s for this reason I’ve decided that today I’m turning the bulk of this post over to a well known far right spokesman, and in the process allowing him to explain, in his own words and without interruption, exactly what is so wrong about a pair of recent Supreme Court decisions.

So. Courtesy of C&L and/or his blog, here’s the complete transcript of Bill O’Reilly’s “Talking Points Memo” of June 29th. It is his response to the Supreme Court’s recent rulings in favor of both the American Care Act and gay marriage. It’s admittedly a somewhat lengthy dissertation, but since it’s typical of O’Reilly, it doesn’t really demand much more than a quick skim to gather in the points he pretends to make. In the skimming process, you’ll notice that O”Reilly does not, as is his habit, spare the vitriol — nor does he offer any hint whatsoever that he’s more than remotely familiar with the Constitution in re those matters he’s chosen to discuss. He does amply demonstrate, however, that ignorance does NOT always define bliss.

Enough chit chat. Here goes, as they say, nothing:

The court’s acceptance of Obamacare and gay marriage was predictable. In fact our “Is It Legal?” team accurately foretold what would happen last week.

The Supreme Court is made up of nine individuals who see America in very different ways. Some see a country that needs to be changed; others believe we are a settled nation where established law should be upheld.

Generally speaking we have an activist court, not judges who are able to put ideology aside.

Chief Justice John Roberts provides a vivid example. He believes the Congress should make laws, not judges. That was the intent of the Founders.

So Roberts jumped through legal hoops to justify Obamacare.

No matter the legal problems, Roberts ignored them, deferring to congressional approval of the affordable healthcare law.

To his credit, Roberts is consistent. He voted against gay marriage because, again, he doesn’t want the court to make law, which the gay nuptial decision does.

Most of the other justices are consistent, as well. They often decide cases through a prism of what they believe to be right for the country, not what our original system of checks and balances dictates.

Here’s how crazy the system has become. Liberal Justices Ginsburg and Kagan each presided over a gay marriage. In Ginsburg’s case, four.

Yet they did not recuse themselves when the issue came before the court.

Come on! We either have a fair legal system or we don’t, and right now we don’t.

The Factor’s philosophy has been consistent for nearly 20 years. I believe every American should have an equal shot to pursue happiness and prosperity, and that the government must provide oversight to provide that opportunity for all.

But I do not believe the government has a right to impose upon me or any other American rules that deny my freedom to express myself, practice my faith, or earn my living.

If a baker believes marriage is a sacrament instituted by his religion, the government should leave the baker alone.

Even though the Supreme Court has now ruled that gay marriage is legal, it has no constitutional right to force anyone to participate in it.

To do so tears up the social contract forged by the Founders.

Americans who sincerely believe that judges do have the authority to redefine marriage have a perfect right to celebrate their victory, provided they are following their consciences.

However, they do not have a right to demonize those who disagree based on the same principle: conscience.

Yesterday Fox News analyst Father Jonathan Morris was walking in New York City close to where the gay pride parade was taking place.

Father Morris reports two men spit on him. He will tell that story on Hannity tonight.

Oppression runs both ways, and all Americans should consider that.

For example, Justice Scalia wrote a well thought out dissent to the gay marriage decision. He was immediately mocked:

STEPHEN COLBERT, COMEDIAN: “Now, Justice Scalia was a little more nuanced in his criticism – writing that if he ever joined an opinion that began the way Justice Kennedy’s majority decision did, quote, ‘I would hide my head in a bag.’ I could have sworn he was already hiding his head in a flesh-toned cinch sack. Please come on my show, sir. Scalia also took issue with the majority’s view that marriage is about free expression, grumbling ‘Expression, sure enough, is a freedom, but anyone in a long-lasting marriage will attest that that happy state constricts, rather than expands what one can prudently say.’ Which is both a fiery dissent and the world’s longest Lockhorn comic.”

In a few months Colbert will be competing against Fallon and Kimmel, both talented and successful guys. He might want to think about alienating traditional Americans to the extent he has; could be very bad for business.

The deciding vote in the gay marriage decision was Justice Kennedy, a good man.

He clearly and honestly wrote that his decision was primarily based on emotion, that compassion dictates gay Americans have equal marital status.

Thus Kennedy forged a legal opinion using the concept of greater good. There is obviously nothing in the Constitution that allows the redefinition of marriage.

On a strictly constitutional basis, that decision has to come from Congress because it is law.

The Supreme Court deviated from that dictum, as it has in the past for political and personal reasons.

On healthcare the issue is again greater good. Obamacare is obviously yet another federal entitlement program designed to help poor Americans at the expense of non-poor Americans.

The president sold the law on the basis that it is a benefit for all. But only his party bought that; not one Republican member of Congress voted for it.

Subsequently, health insurance costs have risen for many working Americans, and a significant number of doctors are refusing to take government mandated insurance programs.

But the four liberal judges don’t really care about the overall impact of Obamacare.

They want free healthcare for the poor and will find a legal justification for it no matter what the actual law says.

Add in Roberts and Kennedy and presto, another enormous social safety net that benefits the have-nots survives a valid legal challenge.

The sad truth is most Americans have no idea what’s really happening to their country. These are complicated issues where both sides have legitimate points. But some important decisions are being made outside Constitutional authority.

If the trend toward big government and political activism by judges continues, the liberty of the individual is going to take a huge hit.

Already we have a guy running for president, Senator Bernie Sanders, who does not oppose a top income tax rate of 90 percent.

Conservative and independent-minded Americans should well understand what is occurring. Uber-left politicians and judges aided by a compliant media and vicious smear merchants on the net now have political cover and momentum.

They are hell-bent on crushing traditional beliefs and competitive capitalism, replacing them with so-called tolerance and forced asset sharing.

The tenets of victimization and grievance may soon dominate public policy even at the expense of public safety and majority opinion.

You see, in the brave new progressive world the rights and welfare of each American really don’t matter.

The promise of collective social justice dominates, and you will be dismissed as unworthy or even be branded a bigot if you get in the way of that promise.

That is the reality of America as we head into the 2016 presidential campaign.

Spread the word.

And that’s the memo.

There’s really not much to say in response to that “speech” other than to point out the fact (obvious to most anyone with a functioning mind) that O’Reilly is wrong on virtually every point he tries to make. I won’t waste my time or yours by citing chapter and verse, will simply cite one of his many premises, the one in which he states that There is obviously nothing in the Constitution that allows the redefinition of marriage, and then point out that there is nothing in the Constitution that ‘defines’ marriage in the first place. In fact, the word “marriage” appears in the Constitution as amended exactly the same number of times as do each the words God, Jesus, Christian, sin, sex — ZERO; right wing political “accuracy” regardless of source therein defined.

Overall, the one thing O’Reilly and his ilk, including each and every passenger in the Republican Clown Car, remind me of is statement which seems to almost entirely sum up their aims, their goals, and their collective philosophy. It reads:

“The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and cooperation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life. Turbulent instincts must be replaced by a national discipline as the guiding principle of our national life.”

Sounds like one of the Presidential candidates, but which one? Huckabee, maybe, or Santorum? Carson? Cruz? One of the other ten announced so far? Or maybe one who’s still waiting in the wings?

The answer, regardless of how unlikely it sounds, is none of the above. Nor is it a paragraph from the Republican Party Platform for 2016 or from any other year. Nope. Those were word spoken on the first day of February, 1933, by Adolf Hitler in his “Proclamation to the German Nation at Berlin.” That’s not to say the GOP couldn’t use it, that it wouldn’t fit. I mean it’s really close to a perfect summary of their implicit goals, and I’m sure it wouldn’t be copyright infringement if they did so choose to put the words to current use.

And I’m sure O’Reilly would spout praise, for once, instead of his typical streams of ignorant vitriol.

OPEN THREAD

55 thoughts on “The Watering Hole; Thursday July 2 2015; Recent Supreme Court Decisions and Wingnut Analysis Thereof

  1. “If a baker believes marriage is a sacrament instituted by his religion, the government should leave the baker alone.” In no sense is the party some people hold after a marriage part of the sacrament itself.

    • Absolutely. My dad ran a bakery in a small town for most of his adult life. I remember well the wedding cakes he made; he’d stay late in his bakery the night before the wedding was scheduled to decorate the multi-tiered cake, to get it ready for delivery to the appropriate location in the morning. Never once did he plunge into the judgment mire that’s so common today; to him, the only significant details were the practical ones.

      Oh, and yes, the cake itself was never part of the ceremony itself — it was ALWAYS central only to the post-ceremony celebration.

      He would have zero time for today’s nutcase attitudes that have become far too noisy.

      • If I were a baker, I would want to refuse to bake a wedding cake for anyone who planned to shove a plate of it into their spouse’s face as it is my personal belief that that action is unforgivably disrespectful and tacky.

        • “If a baker believes marriage is a sacrament instituted by his religion, the government should leave the baker alone.”

          By logical extension:

          If a butcher believed human sacrifice is a sacrament instituted by his religion, the government should leave the butcher alone.

          In deed, by logical extension, any law that conflicts with any persons “religion” is therefore nullified. We then become truly a nation of laws: about 340 million individual sets of laws.

    • I have a great idea for anyone who wants to run a business wholly based on their religious beliefs. Found a church. Crisis averted.

      • It’s not completely evident in the above photo, but I’ve noticed over the years that when Trump speaks, his lips very often form themselves in the shape of a round hole. I wonder why that is?😯

        • He didn’t get that round mouth from eating square meals…..just guessin’

      • In the Gawker link above, the first line of text reads, “Noted asshole Donald Trump recently made asshole history . . .” They could have used “round hole” instead of ‘asshole’ and not changed the context at all.

  2. Cannot understand why O’Reilly hasn’t jumped in the klown car hisself.

    • He doesn’t want to take the enormous pay cut and if he was actually elected he would have to work more than an hour a day and mix with the rabble.

  3. “But I do not believe the government has a right to impose upon me or any other American rules that deny my freedom to express myself, practice my faith, or earn my living.”

    So, if you desire to redline black people as an expression of your ‘freedom’ the gummint should just wink wink, no prollem.

    • Yes, the standard wingnut premise seems to be that the gubmint must ‘wink wink’ at each and all of THEIR transgressions even as they severely punish everyone else who wants to exercise the same right whilst ‘we’ are forced to WATCH and endure. And therein lies the rub. As O’Reilly put it, “They [liberal progressives] are hell-bent on crushing traditional beliefs and competitive capitalism, replacing them with so-called tolerance and forced asset sharing.”

      That’s the closest he got to being correct given that indeed we progressives are “intent on crushing” both “traditional beliefs and competitive capitalism” each and every time either one tramples on the rights and well-being of people who are neither ‘traditional’ in their belief (whatever THAT means) nor vitriolically ‘competitive’ in their ‘capitalism.’ Stated another way, some of us don’t care much for wealthy and egotistical TV assholes round holes that believe it’s ok to beat their wives.

      “Mirror mirror on the wall” backatcha, BillO.

    • Wacky people and even wackier are those donating.
      Get the money from your brother.

  4. Iowa Catholic leaders to candidates: Focus on environment, income equality

    Roman Catholic leaders in Iowa will call Thursday on presidential candidates to follow the teachings of Pope Francis and focus as much on the environment and income inequality in 2016 as they have in past elections on opposing gay marriage and abortion.

    The vocal pivot from such traditional social issues will mark the first time a U.S. Catholic bishop has publicly asked those seeking the White House to heed the admonitions of Francis’ June encyclical, said Diocese of Des Moines Bishop Richard Pates.

    In that major teaching document, the leader of the world’s 1.2 billion Catholics called for a “bold sweeping revolution” to correct what he sees as a “structurally perverse” economic system that allows the rich to exploit the poor and has turned the Earth into an “immense pile of filth.”

    “The goal of the pope is to raise the questions with all the candidates,” Pates said. “It’s a moral issue, our relationship with creation, our relationship with each other.”

    This is not good for the Rs in Iowa. Presuming this spreads to most of the states, it’s not good for Rs in all the states where Catholics make up a significant portion of the voters.

    • Clown Car ejaculations about “Don’t offend my deeply held religious beliefs…. except the ones Frankie P has called out…. you can fook Frankie P’s deeply held beliefs” in 3..2..1

    • ummm….Latinos are predominately Catholic.

      Jus’ sayin’…

      • and in this country mostly Mexican….you know the spawn of rapists and drug dealers.

  5. Billo Biles
    “Already we have a guy running for president, Senator Bernie Sanders, who does not oppose a top income tax rate of 90 percent.”
    Yeah, just like that effing commie Dwight David Eisenhower.

    • Bill0’s loyal worshipers know that Lincoln freed the slaves but they don’t know that Ike was in favor of integrating the armed services, cut military spending, taxed the bejebus out of war profiteers, and warned all of our deaf ears about the military industrial complex. Ike would be labeled by the “librul media” as too “librul” to be elected as a “DEMONcRAT” today.

      • Remember too that Barry Goldwater was instrumental in desegregating Phoenix schools in the late forties, and also fought to integrate the AZ Air National Guard.

        His communist anti-Amurkkkan soul became clearly evident when, during the Clinton administration, Goldwater refused to follow the wingnut lead in going for Clinton’s throat and said, instead, that he respected Clinton ‘because he’s my president.’ I remember well all the shit in the fan courtesy of that remark! Even Arizona’s conservative Goldwater Institute disavowed its namesake.

        • Exactly! When I was younger and less well-informed I was a conservative but the people who have hijacked that name are just fucking nuts.

          • Likewise. In fact, as an ASU student in the early sixties, I was, in 1964, a Goldwater devotee. I remain one today because I still respect his humanity. He was NOT what we today refer to as a wingnut.

  6. Btw, former Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.) announced he’s running for president, although more likely he’s running for vice president.

  7. Chicago’s new 9 percent tax on streaming and cloud services appears to have the local technology community agitated and, more than anything, confused.

    Reports on Wednesday of the “cloud tax” took many Chicagoans by surprise, leaving providers and consumers of streaming and cloud services scrambling to understand the implications. Technology companies, among the heaviest users of cloud services, are likely to be taxed for the services they use as well as those they provide.

    The cloud tax extends ordinances governing two types of taxes — the city amusement tax and the city personal property lease transaction tax. The taxes cover many products streamed to businesses and residents. They also cover use of various online databases that could especially affect businesses.

    The city expects the taxes to bring in about $12 million a year.

    Adrian Holovaty, founder of music-education web platform Soundslice, said he doesn’t know how the tax changes affect his business.

    Holovaty’s questions include which of his subscribers should be taxed; whether he should be tracking his user’s physical locations; and how the city will enforce tax collection.

    “I’m trying to hold off on being frustrated or angry until I actually understand what the new rules are,” Holovaty wrote in an email to Blue Sky. “But at face value, it seems like this new policy flies in the face of Mayor Emanuel’s efforts to build the tech community here.”

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/bluesky/originals/ct-chicago-cloud-tax-tech-reaction-bsi-20150702-story.html

    • Well, clicking on the Chicago Tribune link didn’t cost me anything, and since 9% of zero is still zero, I better not get a bill from Rahmbo!

    • I would have thought that the openly racist, unless you are blind and deaf and stupid, (Ayn)Rand Paul would be their top pick.

    • I wish I could summon that much optimism. I think it’s more likely that the rightwhiners will make some insane claim that Walker “showed his (undeserved) respect” to applaud Obama but Obama “showed contempt for America” by not saluting the soldiers.

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