The Watering Hole, Monday, July 27th, 2015: The (R) Debates

A little over a week from now, the first of the planned nine 2016 Republican Presidential debates, this one being held in Cleveland, Ohio, will kick off the start of the season. Fox will be airing the August 6th debate, which will be limited to the the top ten candidates, their inclusion being based on an average of several national polls.

Wait a second, that’s not exactly true. Fox will also air, prior to the ‘main event’, an hour-long debate amongst the second-tier candidates, according to AP via YahooNews. As of yesterday, those ‘also running’ will be: Carly “I tanked Hewlitt-Packard” Fiorina, Piyush “Bobby” Jindal, Elmer “George” Pataki, Rick “Frothy” Santorum, Lindsey “The Vapors” Graham, and possibly John “Republicans don’t like to wait in line” Kasich, Chris “Sit down and shut up!” Christie, and Rick “Oops!” Perry.

A few excerpts from the article:

Frank Luntz:

“If you’re not on the stage [in the first-tier debate] you’re irrelevant, you don’t matter. Unless you have some serious ad dollars, it’s not a glass ceiling. It’s a concrete ceiling.”

Well, we all know that if there’s an election coming, Frank Luntz is always going to be involved.

Rick Perry:

“Perry unloaded on Wednesday when he called Trump’s campaign a “barking carnival act” and “toxic mix of demagoguery, mean-spiritedness and nonsense.”

OMG, I think that’s the one time we can all agree with Rick Perry on something!

Jindal campaign:

“Curt Anderson, a strategist advising Jindal’s campaign, wrote in Thursday’s Wall Street Journal that the Republican Party was sabotaging itself by controlling the debates too much, after concluding that marginal candidates dragged 2012 nominee Mitt Romney too far to the right.”

Now hold on there, Anderson, Romney wasn’t pulled ‘too far to the right’, he tanked his chances all by himself with his own words.

I think that both debates should be highly entertaining. However, one thing I’m wondering: with all of the recent racial issues that have occurred in Cleveland, in particular the “Black Lives Matter” conference and protest, during which a white cop decided to pepper-spray protesters, will ANY of the candidates be asked about race relations and/or police violence? I don’t know who the moderator will be in either debate, but if they’re airing on Fox…well, we’ll just have to see.

All I can say is, after the 25+ debates during the 2012 election season, I am SO glad that there’s only supposed to be nine this time!

This is our daily Open Thread–go ahead, discuss things!

17 thoughts on “The Watering Hole, Monday, July 27th, 2015: The (R) Debates

  1. I ran across this post earlier this morning, and found myself both flabbergasted and aghast at the included list, many linked to a photo, of “the folks who died since January in what is always a no gun zone — at the end of a cop’s gun.” It’s a single column listing, 647 names in all.

    I have to wonder: what kind of a fucking country is this one in which I live? And “we” have the balls to criticize other countries when this is the kind of shit that defines US???

  2. The other night Rachel Maddow made the point that Fox News is making the rules for inclusion to their debate in a way that the only way to gain poll points is to advertise heavily on Fox News.

      • Most of the ads are sickeningly insipid, and infuriatingly dishonest. Rare is the ad of the sheep with the glowing eyes, but if one comes along, plenty of sites will point to it and laugh.

  3. Can’t watch the Repugnant ‘discuss’ taking away Social Security (I took early retirement so that is my only income). Next year I’ll be eligible for Medicare (which the Pigs want flush down the sewer).
    No, can’t watch, or listed to those who wish me ill!

    • Most of the younger voters the RWNJs hope to sell on the idea of ending SS are going to whistle another tune when their mom and dad have to move in with them because the system collapsed under the transition. Both SS and any form of single payer healthcare work the best when the current generation of workers help their parents’ generation stay solvent, because the parents had already done so for their parents.

      • Part of the problem is that Rand Paul is out there framing the FICA tax as just another tax on your income, making no connection to Social Security. He has said “The FICA Tax – that goes to zero.” I don’t know if he plans to privatize Soc Sec and make us pay the banks and insurance companies for it, but I also don;t know how he plans to fund it once he eliminates the FICA tax (not that any Democrat would let him do that.)

        • It is so disgusting Rand Paul rants lies as truth.
          Privatize does seem to be ultimate goal of those who don’t give a damn about the welfare of the citizens.

          • If there’s money in it for their billionaires, they’re for it. No Republican alive today gives a rat’s ass crap about anyone but the filthy rich. Ain’t no money, no power, in the middle class and poor, so screw ’em — Republican Operational Thesis (aka ROT)

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