The Watering Hole; Thursday October 29 2015; Ignorance? Insanity? Debates?

Safe in their Alabaster Chambers —
Untouched by Morning
And untouched by Noon —
Sleep the meek members of the Resurrection —
Rafter of satin,
And Roof of stone.

Light laughs the breeze
In her Castle above them —
Babbles the Bee in a stolid Ear,
Pipe the Sweet Birds in ignorant cadence —
Ah, what sagacity perished here!
(Emily Dickinson)

Ignorance: Lack of knowledge, information, or education; the state of being ignorant.

Insanity: Relatively permanent disorder of the mind; state or condition of being insane.

Originally I was going to pen a lengthy essay on how the distinct qualities we call ignorance and insanity are affecting and afflicting today’s politics and policies.Then last night came the third GOP presidential candidate debate from Boulder Colorado, and suddenly my focus seemed to shift.

I’d already been pondering those issues for a couple of days, and in the process managed to take a look around with the goal of researching, perhaps finding some of the finer points that aptly demonstrate what might be reasonably interpreted as the ignorance / insanity blend. What I came up with, however, seemed to better answer that other question, the one that reads What if someone who’s definably ignorant is also definably insane? Or, phrased another way, what if someone who’s insane is also ignorant? Are those possibilities realistic? Maybe?

Sounds possible, right?  But then comes the biggee: How the hell can you differentiate between ignorance and insanity when politics and religion (and Republicans) are involved? Is it possible that all one really needs to do to sift through the quagmire is to note the subject-at-hand’s respective affiliations and consider those to be THE defining line(s) in the sand? Maybe? Mind you, I’ve only seen a few snippets from last night’s debate, but as of this moment I would most certainly agree — with NO equivocation — that yes, the ‘line(s) in the sand’ ARE very likely THE points which actually demonstrate for all to see the new and defining Republican mantra. Ignorance HAS mated with insanity, in other words, and with end result?

Ah, what sagacity perished here!

To my eyes, even a quick peek at some tidbits of my recently gathered data confirms each and all of the underlying theses which have forced political sagacity’s dismemberment. So go ahead, check out the following and see if you can come up with ANY other conclusion (and please, pass it/them on!).

OK. Here. Republican. Fundamentalist. Ignorance. Insanity. Merged?

Michael Savage Warns That SNL And Larry David Are Ushering In Sharia Law

Michael Savage: Obama Acting Like Hitler, But Attacking White Men

BarbWire Pundit: Armed White People Must Stop Obama Before He Sparks Nuclear War Against America

The Pre-Palin GOP Was A Scholar’s Paradise, And Other Lies We Tell Children

Ken Ham Worries That If We Allow Gay Marriage People Will Just Stop Wearing Clothes

Intent on discrediting climate scientists, witch-hunting House committee chairman subpoenas NOAA

Ben Carson believes the world was literally created in 6 days

Ben Carson’s Budget Plan Makes Absolutely No Sense

Rick Wiles: Arrest ‘Mentally Unstable’ Obama Before He Starts

Rick Wiles: God Is Making Liberals Go Insane

Right-Wing Pundit Prays God Will Punish Hillary Clinton Since Republicans Failed To

So. The difference between ‘ignorance’ and ‘insanity’ is . . . ?? Seems to be rather a moot point, actually, at least when the only wedge between them is the suggestion that right wing politics don’t or won’t allow ignorance to mate with insanity. I suppose that in a civilized world, for one to propose — much less recognize — that such a mating has clearly occurred would automatically presume bias, even agenda. Maybe so. BUT — toss in, on top of everything, a large and vocal dose of religious fundamentalism and THEN ask the same question over again.

As the French would say, Voila!

Reminds me of Shakespeare, who wrote, in Macbeth —

“Were such things here as we do speak about?
Or have we eaten on the insane root
that takes the reason prisoner?”

I’ll readily accept the first line as absolute fact, and then agree that yes, THEY have undoubtedly eaten on the insane root / that takes the reason prisoner — and let it go at that. I wouldn’t want to make anyone any more mad than they already are, dontcha know.

OPEN THREAD

20 thoughts on “The Watering Hole; Thursday October 29 2015; Ignorance? Insanity? Debates?

  1. Driftglass’ take on last night’s debate – a play-by-play of what they really said

    At The GOP Debate: Clap for the Wolfman — Final Update

    Pregame: I hate everyone on CNBC right now. It’s Fox News with slightly less garish flags. Although I must say it is adorable that Larry Kudlow insists that the GOP base gives a shit about substance.

    ReaganReaganReagan.

    Also Kudlow — who appears slightly bombed, although maybe this is just what early-onset Conservative senior dementia looks like — believes that massive corporate tax cuts are basically “middle class” and will pay for themselves.

  2. It is just too early in the AM for my brain but the only word that I can produce is simply Cognitive Dissonance right now. .

    • I’m guessing that C.U. students in Boulder are holding their noses as they head to class this morning. I’m 150 miles south of Boulder and haven’t ventured outside yet, but I’ll be prepared when I do.

  3. Speaking of the ignorance-insanity mind meld:

    RNC Member: Disease Outbreaks Caused By Socialism In Schools, Not Anti-Vaxxers

    “The schools are some of the germiest places you’ll ever be around,” she said. “They’ve gone to this socialistic teaching where you no longer have your own pencils you’re responsible for so you can learn how to take care of things and be a good steward; it’s all socialistic in the middle of the table, you’re all facing each other, handling each other’s things. And the schools, yet, when my kids were in school, kept wondering why they kept having all the issues with strep throat and all the issues with all these childhood illnesses continually happening. Because it’s the new way they’re doing school in the classroom. So, if you want to keep your kid healthy, take them out of public school. It will help them mentally, emotionally, academically and now, physically, it would help them as well.”

  4. From what I understand, the (sic) candydates went after the economy. WTF is that about.
    Let us remind usselves, that
    Then – in 2009, unemployment was at 10% // Now 5.1%
    in 2009 we were losing 800,000 jobs a month // Now we are adding 200,000 jobs a month (not to mention it took until May 2014 to gain back the 8.7 million jobs lost during the great shitter of a recession.
    In 2009 our GDP, 2009 we were at -2.8%, // Now we are at 2.1% projected for this year.
    The klown kar kandydates should be gloating over the Wall Street recovery that has kept the median household income at the same level as 2010 for the past five years, while the stock freaking market has gained 200% (S&P 500)
    Not to mention the number of people needing food stamps has gone from 40 million in 2010 to 47 million last year.
    Klown Kar guys, your bitching about Obama’s economy is vaporous blathering.

    • It’s weird. If the GOoPers were smart and sane they would be talking about the recovery and take credit for it. But? They are so committed to the refrain that everything sucks and it’s all Obama’s fault that they can’t.

      • But then somebody would probably point out how much better things would be if only the Dems had full control of both houses of Congress. If word of THAT should ever get out . . . !

  5. I was watching Luke Russert interviewing Kevin McCarthy. McCarthy was praising the bottom up solutions that Paul Ryan will present. I can help but thinking that the way the GOP had to scrape the barrel to hook Ryan there only way they can go is up.

  6. I read something about the Chinese government now allowing couples to have 2 children because they need people to fill jobs. Jobs to manufacture products for a world market. (Hold this thought.)

    Two big issues in America today are immigrants and jobs. (Do you see where I’m heading?)

    Obviously the simple solution is to send our “unwanted” from south of the border to China. We can charter airplanes and cruise ships instead of a spending billions to build a wall and employing Customs and Border Patrol agents. (Isn’t this a great solution?)

    Or Congress could work to get companies to bring manufacturing jobs back to America (Yeah, I know what the chances of this are!)

    • Another choice is to send ‘ready-made’ children: the Duggars would be just perfect to tour China and then stay!

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