The Watering Hole; Thursday June 23 2016; Radical (American) Christian Extremism/Radicalism

It’s common knowledge these days that the words “radical Islamic extremism/terrorism” are spoken daily by Republicans even as more rational voices such as President Obama, Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders, and most if not all Democrats, choose to not use those words on the inarguable basis that it is clearly WRONG to essentially castigate an entire religion — some 1.6 billion people, worldwide — when the perpetrators of ‘extremism’ and ‘terrorism’ are nothing but radical spinoffs: the few thousands who embrace the concept of radical extremism/terrorism.

Curiously, however, those same domestic voices that constantly (and sometimes horrifically) condemn the voices of all who disagree with them will invariably refuse to call out our (their?) own ‘Radical American _____ Extremists/terrorists”– those clusters of American citizens which have long proven themselves equally capable of spreading hate, fear, and even wanton mass murder. Why is that? Death by AR-15 gunfire is the same no matter who pulls the trigger, is it not? And those who use hate and fear to describe a particular entity — race, religion, national origin, LGBT, gender, abortion providers, to name but a few — seem to NEVER stoop to calling perpetrators “radical,” or “extremists,” or even, in the aftermath of mass murder, “terrorists.” Why is that?

A closer look at events of just the last few days brings forth several examples of what is, one might think,  clearly definable as Radical American Christian Extremism (presented sans unnecessary comment):

Family Research Council Tries To Stop Bill Helping Vets Access Fertility Services

The Family Research Council, which routinely maligns gay military service members, is now attacking a bill to make it easier for veterans to access fertility services if they have been wounded in combat, claiming that it undermines “pro-life” principles.

Falwell: ‘Every Terrorist In The World Will Crawl Under A Rock’ When Trump Becomes President

Liberty University president Jerry Falwell Jr. hailed Donald Trump as a “bold and fearless leader” ready to fight America’s enemies and bad trade partners.

Falwell, speaking at the Religious Right meeting with the presumptive GOP nominee, said that just as Ronald Reagan freed the hostages in Iran upon taking office (he didn’t), Trump will similarly scare terrorism out of existence: “In my opinion, the day after Trump becomes president, every terrorist in the world will crawl under a rock in similar fashion.”

Donald Trump Taps Michele Bachmann, James Dobson & Other Far-Right Leaders For Advisory Board

[Trump said] “We can’t be politically correct and say we pray for all of our leaders because all of your leaders are selling Christianity down the tubes, selling the evangelicals down the tubes, and it’s a very, very bad thing that’s happening.”

Pat Robertson: God Will Punish Us For Satanic Abortion Rights

[Pat] Robertson said that “we have to look at the spiritual roots” of abortion rights, blaming the right to abortion on Satan: “The enemy of our soul is Satan and he hates people, he hates human beings, and the idea is if humans can kill other humans, the devil wants to do everything to help it.”

Bryan Fischer: Democratic Gun Control Efforts Are ‘Exactly How Satan Works’

[Bryan] Fischer said that Democrats are lying when they claim that they are trying to protect Americans because what they really want to do is allow government bureaucrats to take away constitutional rights and destroy the Second Amendment.

“That’s exactly how Satan works,” Fischer said. “That’s how he deceives us. He never tells us, ‘Look, if you do this thing I’m dangling in front of you, it’ll destroy you.’ He never says that because he knows we wouldn’t go for it.”

“And that’s what the left is trying to do with this ‘no fly, no buy’ thing,” he said. “It’s just Satan — I’m not accusing them of being Satan, but this is how Satan works; [he] tries to get us to take a bite out of the apple without realizing the consequences of what we’re doing.”

Next, a pair of examples that seem to demonstrate an evolving Radical American  Christian Terrorism (again sans comment):

Oklahoma Lawmaker Shares Article Arguing Islam Isn’t A Religion, Calls For ‘Final Solution’

On Sunday, Oklahoma State Rep. Pat Ownbey re-published an article to his Facebook page entitled “Radical Islam – The Final Solution.” The article was originally published on the personal blog of Paul R. Hollrah, an Oklahoman who touts himself as a “retired government relations executive,” but Ownbey appears to have copy-pasted the piece and reposted it in its entirety, citing Hollrah.

Pat Ownbey

on Sunday

Radical Islam – the Final Solution

by Paul R. Hollrah
June 18, 2016 … See More

. . . the article Ownbey shared purports that in light of the recent massacre of 49 people at a gay nightclub in Orlando by an ISIS-affiliated shooter, Islam should no longer be categorized as a religion in the United States — or in any western nation.

[. . .]

“…if we in the west are to protect our children and grandchildren from the horrors of a worldwide Islamic caliphate, we must first dispense with the cruel fiction that Islam is just another religious denomination, subject to all of the legal protections afforded legitimate religious sects,” Hollrah argues. “Islam is not a religion, subject to First Amendment protections, as we in western cultures understand the term. Rather, it is a complete political, legal, economic, military, social, and cultural system with a religious component.”

[. . .]

“Look at your dollar bill,” Ownbey told local news station KXII-TV. “It says In God We Trust.”

Donald Trump Courts Activist Who Wants Abortion Providers Put To Death

[Troy Newman] and [Cheryl] Sullenger once wrote at length about why it is a government responsibility to execute abortion providers:

“In addition to our personal guilt in abortion, the United States government has abrogated its responsibility to properly deal with the blood-guilty. This responsibility rightly involves executing convicted murderers, including abortionists, for their crimes in order to expunge bloodguilt from the land and people.

[. . .]

“Rejecting that innocent blood is to reject the only standard that is effective against innocent bloodshed, excluding the lawful execution of the murderers, which is commanded by God in Scripture.”

Clearly, Radical Extremism and Radical Terrorism are NOT, as so many would have us believe, part and parcel solely of Islam. We here in “the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave” don’t appear to differ much from the rest of the world as far as production of radical thugs is concerned. But we are different — we refuse to use the same epithets with which we brand others, to brand ourselves. Here, the words “Black Lives Matter,” or “illegal (‘Hispanic’) immigrants,” or ‘Syrian refugees’ are likely to bring forth far more vicious vitriol than are any of our OWN home grown offenders (as quoted or referred to above), i.e. those who hate and detest LGBT people, or gay marriage, or reproductive rights, or abortion rights, or anyone who stands forth as being ‘ungodly’ in the Christian sense of the word. Why is that?

Now don’t get me wrong — I am in no way advocating that we expand the vitriol to include everyone with whom we might disagree. My personal choice remains as it always has been, to simply speak of things as they genuinely are, and NOT in the process paint with a wide brush, thereby denigrating the vast majority who do not deserve any sort of denigration. If I should choose to use, for example, the words “Radical American Christian Extremist/Terrorist,” I would use them only to describe an individual, maybe a small group — but never to describe the entire of the nation’s Christian population. Anyone who chooses to paint with that particular-sized brush would be no better than, say, our current crop of Republican politicos and their loyalists.

That’s a depth to which I will not sink. So when I say Trump is a sleazy lying racist bigot fascist wannabe, I’m speaking only of one individual, not everyone on the planet whose name might happen to be Trump. And for all of those noted and quoted in the above links, the words ‘Radical American Christian Extremists/Terrorists’ apply only to each, as indicated, and never to all Christians everywhere. Never.

But I do remain puzzled: Why the disparity? Why do some choose to insult or vilify everyone everywhere who might answer to a particular label? What is to be gained? And why are those who practice that sort of universal vitriol not called out and resolutely vilified by this country’s so-called ‘Free Press’? The Press does have that guaranteed right, after all, the judicious use of which might well elevate the level of political dialogue to currently unimaginable levels.

I miss Edward R. Murrow, that much is certain.

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    • More About That Mexican Flag In Scotland Near Trump’s New Golf Course

      Donald Trump has a long and complicated history with his family’s homeland, Scotland. A few years ago he razed a huge plot of natural land to build his golf course “Trump International Golf Links”, displacing longtime residents by using Scotland’s version of eminent domain. These residents did not go down without a fight, as shown in the excellent documentary called “You’ve Been Trumped.”

      As a form of silent protest, residents of Menie Estate, north of Aberdeen, have erected numerous Mexican Flags as a sign of unity Buzzfeed reports..

      David Milne, a long time resident of the Aberdeen area, says:

      “The point of the flag is to show solidarity with the Mexicans and every other group that Trump has decried, derided, insulted, and tried to marginalise”

      The group featured in the “You’ve Been Trumped” movie are part of a group called “Tripping Up Trump” which has helped them resist and thus far, prevent, compulsory purchase (similar to eminent domain) orders to take their land.

      • So DrumpfTruck scammed the Scots as well. Promised 6.000 jobs and failed to abide by that commitment.
        The two words DumpfTruck and commitment should only be coupled if the commitment is to an institution for the deflation of oversized egos.

        • Question of the day: Has Trump ever lived up to any promise to anyone other than himself? Ever? Anywhere???

          Someone please pass the data.

  1. Michael Farris is a hardcore far right evangelical. He is so extreme that when he ran for Lt. Governor of Virginia he lost, even though the rest of the republican ticket (Jim Gilmore and the truly awful George Allen) won. This is what he had to say about Trump’s meeting with the evangelical leaders:

    “This meeting marks the end of the Christian Right.

    The premise of the meeting in 1980 was that only candidates that reflected a biblical worldview and good character would gain our support.

    Today, a candidate whose worldview is greed and whose god is his appetites (Philippians 3) is being tacitly endorsed by this throng.

    They are saying we are Republicans no matter what the candidate believes and no matter how vile and unrepentant his character.

    They are not a phalanx of God’s prophets confronting a wicked leader, this is a parade of elephants.

    In 1980 I believed that Christians could dramatically influence politics. Today, we see politics fully influencing a thousand Christian leaders.”

  2. Two “Radical American Christian Extremist” views of humility:

    Rick Wiles Praises Donald Trump’s Extraordinary Humility

    Among the Religious Right leaders meeting with Donald Trump on Tuesday was Rick Wiles, the far-right radio host who uses his daily “Trunews” program to push bizarre conspiracy theories and extremist screeds.

    Wiles said he was blown away by Trump’s appearance, hailing him as “a very humble man” and “very presidential.”

    Marjorie Dannenfelser: Trump’s Abortion Flip-Flops Are A Sign Of Humility

    Brushing aside the debacle a few months back when Trump said that if abortion is outlawed, women who receive them should face some sort of punishment, only to then repeatedly flip-flop on the issue, even claiming at one point that he wanted to leave abortion laws the way they are, as he scrambled to do damage control, Dannenfelser spun the episode as something for which Trump deserves a lot of credit.

    “To give him a lot of credit, only a person with some humility, which he doesn’t get credit for, would go back and correct his comments, which he did,” Dannenfelser said. “I’ve actually found on the abortion issue that he’s done that more on that particular issue than almost any other, a willingness to correct himself and move ahead. And I think that shows an ability to become the person that he says that he is.”

    Reminds me of Inspector Clouseu’s encounter with a blind beggar:

    “Are you blind?”

    “Yes, I am.”

    “Oh, I see.”

    • Humility is a word Drumpf is not familiar with. Anyone who says. “I’m so rich…” cannot possibly be considered humble.

    • With my 72nd birthday approaching I’m contemplating using a cane when out in public to keep myself from falling over laughing at RWNJs. I’m looking for one with a granite or solid brass handle in case my honest retorts disturbs some overzealous buffoon.

    • “Are you blind?”

      “Yes, I am.”

      “Oh, I see.”

      Wasn’t that the scene that began with Clouseau first asking, “Do you have a li-CENSE for your min-key?"

      “My what?”

      “Your min-key.”

      “My min-key?”

      “Yes, that little furry thing running around. Do you have a li-CENSE for it?”

      • Yeah. Clouseau was a street cop and the blind beggar with his monkey was a diversion so Clouseau wouldn’t notice the bank robbery underway behind the window he was standing next to.

    • Thanks for pointing that out. I took immediate advantage (second comment after your own). Not that it will change anything, but still . . .

    • Can we ask about my conspiracy theory that DrumpfTruck is a gigantic red herring who will capitulate to the polls at the convention and the SlOTH will become, by general worship and acclamation, the Republican’t nominee for, dare I acronymize it…The POTUS?

      • SOTH — Speaker of the House. I recommend a change in title to Speaker-Lite of the House. SLOTH. It suits him, the little do-nothing-Ayn-Rand-wouldn’t-like bastard that he is.

        • Consider it done, but with a lower case l for lite, as in less, lower, little, louse.
          Except that the freaking font makes it look like a capital eye (I)

  3. Speaking of Radical American Christian Extremists, here’s another (familiar) nutcase:

    Glenn Beck: ‘We’re The Civil Rights Leaders Of Today,’ Not Those ‘Absolute Clowns’ Like John Lewis

    “Who are the civil rights leaders?” Beck asked. “I’ve said this for a long time and people make fun of us: We’re the civil rights leaders, we’re the civil rights leaders of today. They have discredited themselves and they are dismissed.”

    Right. People who work to reduce gun deaths and treat said task as a civil rights issue are ‘discredited’ and ‘dismissed.’ Apparently the “right to bare arms” is more an issue than the right to not be shot by some crazy nutcase. Right? Right.

    I can see why “people make fun of [him].” Stupid and crazy and vicious nitwits are often quite easy to make fun of. It’s the underlying message that bums me out, the one that says in order to be still widely known and watched and listened to as he is, there must be one hell of a lot of really really stupid shits running around loose in this here Amurkkka.

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