The Watering Hole, Wednesday 8/3/16

THE PRINCE

CHAPTER V

CONCERNING THE WAY TO GOVERN CITIES OR PRINCIPALITIES WHICH LIVED UNDER THEIR OWN LAWS BEFORE THEY WERE ANNEXED

Whenever those states which have been acquired as stated have been accustomed to live under their own laws and in freedom, there are three courses for those who wish to hold them: the first is to ruin them, the next is to reside there in person, the third is to permit them to live under their own laws, drawing a tribute, and establishing within it an oligarchy which will keep it friendly to you. Because such a government, being created by the prince, knows that it cannot stand without his friendship and interest, and does it utmost to support him; and therefore he who would keep a city accustomed to freedom will hold it more easily by the means of its own citizens than in any other way.

There are, for example, the Spartans and the Romans. The Spartans held Athens and Thebes, establishing there an oligarchy, nevertheless they lost them. The Romans, in order to hold Capua, Carthage, and Numantia, dismantled them, and did not lose them. They wished to hold Greece as the Spartans held it, making it free and permitting its laws, and did not succeed. So to hold it they were compelled to dismantle many cities in the country, for in truth there is no safe way to retain them otherwise than by ruining them. And he who becomes master of a city accustomed to freedom and does not destroy it, may expect to be destroyed by it, for in rebellion it has always the watchword of liberty and its ancient privileges as a rallying point, which neither time nor benefits will ever cause it to forget. And whatever you may do or provide against, they never forget that name or their privileges unless they are disunited or dispersed, but at every chance they immediately rally to them, as Pisa after the hundred years she had been held in bondage by the Florentines.

But when cities or countries are accustomed to live under a prince, and his family is exterminated, they, being on the one hand accustomed to obey and on the other hand not having the old prince, cannot agree in making one from amongst themselves, and they do not know how to govern themselves. For this reason they are very slow to take up arms, and a prince can gain them to himself and secure them much more easily. But in republics there is more vitality, greater hatred, and more desire for vengeance, which will never permit them to allow the memory of their former liberty to rest; so that the safest way is to destroy them or to reside there.

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24 thoughts on “The Watering Hole, Wednesday 8/3/16

  1. “And he who becomes master of a city nation accustomed to freedom and does not destroy it, may expect to be destroyed by it, for in rebellion it has always the watchword of liberty and its ancient privileges as a rallying point”
    Drumpf? Are you taking notes?

  2. Speaking of despicable pricks…
    After receiving a Purple Heart from a supporter (either a real or a replica, depending on who you ask), Trump said “I’ve always wanted to get the real Purple Heart. This was much easier.”

    For all the men and women who have been maimed and injured in combat, who have received a real Purple Heart, self not in that community, may I say “Duck off and Fie” you cowardly prick!

    • If I thought there was any chance that Trumpy would take my advice I would tell him to hang it off his “Make America Great Again” cap every time he speaks to veterans. On the other hand. Any Vet who is stupid and/or crazy enough to go to a Trump event would probably stifle their rage at the thought of such dishonor.

  3. ‘On a day like today, we passed the time away, writing (__??__) letters, in the sand.’

    Pat Boone: ‘God Has Lifted His Hand Of Protection From The United States Of America’

    In a column yesterday, conservative activist and musician Pat Boone declared that “God has lifted His hand of protection from the United States of America,” claiming that the use of food stamps, the national debt and ISIS terrorism are all signs that “we’re pretty much on our own now.”

    While Boone expressed dismay about both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, he said that there is a chance that Trump will “seek to do the will of God if elected.”

    I really hate it when someone of my generation turns out to be so fucking stupid. It’s un-Amurkkkan, so to speak.

    • While I have never subscribed to the “God made my country exceptional because he likes us best” theory, if I did I would assume that hand of protection was lifted back during the Civil War.

    • What is this ‘God’ thing? Can we start with proving that this thing exists? If not, then why should we pay any attention to this. After all, I don’t listen to a drunk yelling at the stop light…

      • I’ve been asking that same question since the early fifties, and the only answer I’ve ever gotten that makes any sense at all is, “Look in the Mirror!” Last time I tried that was back in the late nineties, and my freak-out still haunts.

        Short answer: there ain’t never been found a single shred of evidence anywhere, ever, that even lends credence to the myth. No matter what Pat Boone might say.

    • TBH. I’ll fly my own airplane to Titusville at my own expense and volunteer if they just pick me up at the airport. I just want to be close to the launches.

    • Why aren’t they all forced to wear brown shirts and issued Make Amerika Grate armbands with Swastikas?

      • Nowadays the armbands would be red, white, and blue, with a crucifix and the holy grail superimposed.

  4. I’m watching Trump in Jacksonville and see a guy I knew from my college days. On Trump’s left, the guy with beard in red shirt is just as weird as he looks!

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