The Watering Hole; Friday August 12 2016; Of Lies and Liar(s)

Anyone who has proclaimed violence his method
inexorably must choose lying as his principle.
(Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn)

Enter Solzhenitsyn’s modern day example, the one who has clearly and obviously chosen lying as his principle:

Trump lie fast

I’m not at all certain that Trump has ever, over the course of his life, spoken the truth about anything at all. Seems more like every time he opens a mouth and says something, whatever he says is a lie.

Examples (and these are just a small handful of samples from three of yesterday’s blogs):

Donald Trump Once Again Pushes His Obama-ISIS Conspiracy Theory

Trump: Church Attendance Will Rise When I’m President

Trump blames ‘false narrative’ for struggles against Clinton in Republican-friendly Utah

Capitalizing on stupidity: Today, Trump called Obama a terrorist — something he’s being doing quietly since 2011

Why Trump’s “Second Amendment” insinuation was an abhorrent stunt straight out of the NRA’s playbook

Trump’s birtherism is now Republican gospel: 72 percent of GOP voters still doubt President Obama’s citizenship

Trump refuses to walk back his accusation Obama is “the founder of ISIS”: “He was the most valuable player”

Not sure we’ve ever seen anything that even comes close to our current dilemma. Seems to me that the biggest ‘what if’ we’re currently faced with is the prospect of the worst imaginable electoral outcome becoming reality. What then? President Trump? As we college boys were prone to say way back in the early sixties, “Are you shittin’ me?”

How long, I wonder, can a country last if/when its leader is nothing more that an egomaniacal narcissist, a misogynistic, xenophobic, bigoted racist? One who lies every time he opens his mouth, one who may very well have NEVER spoken a word of truth in the entire of his seventy years? What will our national collapse look like, I wonder? And what will it FEEL like? What will it SOUND like?

From one of the last century’s most prolific and well-known liars:

The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State
can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military
consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the
State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for 
the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus
by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.
(Joseph Goebbels)

OK. “We’ll have to leave it there.”




49 thoughts on “The Watering Hole; Friday August 12 2016; Of Lies and Liar(s)

  1. On All In last night, Chris let some RWer named Matt Mackowiak lie by saying that the Dems had 60 votes in the Senate for the ‘first fourteen months’ of Obama’s first term. Usually they just say he had 60 votes for the first two years, but it’s still such a blatant lie that letting it go unchallenged encourages more of the same. Al Franken wasn’t even seated until July, and by that time Ted Kennedy wasn’t able to return to the Senate.


    “Government travel advisories are common for war-torn disease ravaged nations, but a growing number of countries are warning their citizens about making trips to the United States.”
    “United Arab Emirates, Bahamas, France, United Kingdom, Canada, New Zealand and Germany are among those urging caution. Concerns include mass shootings, police violence, anti Muslim and anti-LGBT attitudes and Zika.”

    USA Today

    • I had guests from Australia a few years back and they were VERY concerned about the amount of shootings and road rage in our country.
      I assured them they were safe when with me.
      They further went on to explain that we really go overboard (agro) in the angry department.
      They explained that while they may have differences and few punches may get thrown, they pick the other guy up and go have a pint together.
      We’re really fucked up in our ability to solve problems.

      • Our Amurkkkan fascist contingent may not be a majority, but they indeed are a well-armed and vicious hate-filled minority. And that ain’t good, especially now that they have a loud political voice thanks to Teabaggers and wingnuts everywhere. If I lived somewhere pleasant, no way would I even consider coming to this country, this self-proclaimed hate-filled Paradise.

  3. Dow Jones
    S&P 500

    All closed at record highs yesterday. Great for my 401k, but who’s really making all the money and why is this country flat broke?

      • I’ve wondered the same thing…but the “Trickle On” effect is working or someone, and it’s not me.

      • It’s at a “trickle on” level now…..We get the last dribble before they shake it off.

    • What is money, really? I know the ‘medium of exchange’ crap, also all the reasons why it’s a sin to replace Andrew Jackson’s image with that of a black woman. I even have a few coins laying on my desk — the ones from Amurkkka are good, the ones from Mexico not so much. Also waiting for trickle down just so I can see what’s different about being rich compared to what it’s like seeing a butterfly on the zinnias.

      Money. My cat has no money, could care less, but still is happy. She even caught a gopher the other day. Can any billionaire say that?

      What is money, really?

  4. “Trump: Church Attendance Will Rise When I am President”

    Actually, that may well be true, given the massive civil unrest his Presidency will most likely cause.

    • Church? Naa. If such be the case, I’m heading to Hawaii and the Pu’uhonua o’ Honaunau, the City of Refuge. Not even Drumpf can mess around in that sanctuary. Captain Cook tried it a few centuries ago, was handed his final reward on the refuge’s Hei’au.

      Actually, Polynesian mythology is more interesting that Christian mythology anyway, plus there’s a beach and good fishing right there.

  5. “…How long, I wonder, can a country last if/when its leader is nothing more that an egomaniacal narcissist, a misogynistic, xenophobic, bigoted racist? One who lies every time he opens his mouth,

    Russia is on 16 years now…and counting…

  6. Tall and fat and old and ugly
    The guy from Oompa-Loompa is talking
    And when he trashes, each one he trashes goes “H-u-u-h?”

    When he talks he likes to ramble
    And thinks he’s cool but stays so mental
    That when he trashes, each one he trashes goes “H-u-u-h?”

    Oh, but they watch him so madly
    How can they tell if he loves them
    Yes, they would give their vote gladly
    But each day as he squawks on TV
    He lies straight at them, not at me

    Tall and fat and old and ugly
    The guy from Oompa-Loompa is talking
    And when he trashes, it’s vile, but he doesn’t see.
    He just doesn’t see
    No he just doesn’t

    • Sung to ‘Girl From Ipanema’. Took me to the end of the first stanza to catch it.

      • I no wordpress genius so I think you just “liked” it with your succinct “Nice”!

      • In the upper right-hand corner there is a box that turns orange when you have some kind of notification. This is usually either someone liking a post that you wrote, responding to your comment, or liking a comment you wrote in reply to one of their comments. When you click on it you can see a box for Liking it. But you can’t Like a comment someone made to someone else, only ones made in reply to you.

        Or, as dycker said, just add a comment like “Nice.” 🙂

  7. Something is happening while the rest of us watch Rio …..

    • I saw those late this PM, and the same Q popped into my mind, along with a few more. What is it that causes so many to hate, to fear, to distrust everyone else? Is it low IQ? Insufficient education? Brain defect? I remember the old days when people disagreed, but still communicated in an effort to come to an understanding. But now, these days, it seems like virtually the entire of the GOP has no agenda other than hate, fear, greed, and massive distrust. Why? What happened? Does ‘conservatism’ always and invariably devolve to become fascism?

    • if Hillary Clinton defeats Trump, “would that not suggest there is something fraudulent about American democracy, something rotten in the state?”
      No, dearest Patsy (and I mean that in a real sense). It would mean that the overwhelming majority of American voters and citizens reject an unqualified, racist idiot as our leader. Nothing more, nothing less. And if you want to take on the police and military, get your fat old ass out in the street with your assault rifle and take one for your ‘fuhrer’s team’

  8. Apparently Trump has figured out that he’s going to get his ass handed to him in November. Here’s his latest attempt at devising the excuse for his political demolition.

    Trump: Clinton Can’t Win Pennsylvania Without Cheating

    He leaves out, of course, the fact that he’s already trailing by double digits in multiple PA polls. He’s also certain that the dumbasses that vote for him will scream “rigged” at the top of their lungs when he loses, and that will put his wipeout on crooked Hillary and her crooked manipulators/election riggers, not on him, so he’ll still be great no matter what criminal dems might say or think.

    The guy’s a freakin’ psycho.

  9. I’m working on today’s Sunday Roast because I didn’t get around to posting anything yesterday. Between a bad ache in my teeth (food in a cavity that still needed to be filled) and the oppressive heat, I didn’t get much of anything done. But I’m “cooking the roast” now and i should have it up within a couple of hours. Thank you for your patience.

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