The Watering Hole, Monday, October 10th, 2016: Still Carrying Holy Water

In case I haven’t written enough about Evangelical “Christian” website, The Christian Post, here’s another one.

I wanted to see what their reaction was to the Trump “pussy” scandal. Would this be the final straw? Of course not.

Trump 2005 Sex Talk Video Scandal: Evangelical, Republican Leaders Divided on Supporting GOP Presidential Nominee

By Anugrah Kumar, Christian Post Contributor
October 9, 2016|9:39 am
Varied responses from evangelical and Republican leaders are pouring in after a 2005 video surfaced showing Donald Trump bragging about kissing, groping and trying to have sex with women. Some have withdrawn their support, others continue to back the GOP presidential nominee to prevent Hillary Clinton from becoming president.

“As a husband and father of three daughters, I find this behavior deeply offensive and degrading,” said Tony Perkins, president of Family Research Council Action, referring to the leaked video carrying Trump’s 2005 remarks while talking with Billy Bush, then host of “Access Hollywood.”

In the conversation with Bush, the real estate magnate discusses a failed attempt to seduce a woman. “I did try and [expletive] her. She was married,” Trump says. “You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait,” he adds. “And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.” The video was published by The Washington Post on Friday.

Trump, who will participate in the second presidential debate with his Democratic rival Clinton at Washington University in St. Louis on Sunday, has said, “I was wrong, and I apologize.”

Perkins went on to say his support for Trump “was never based upon shared values rather it was built upon shared concerns,” including the Supreme Court, America’s security, and religious freedom. He said, “… We are left with a choice of voting for the one who will do the least damage to our freedoms.”

It’s not an ideal situation, Perkins added, but “I refuse to find sanctuary on the sidelines and allow the country and culture to deteriorate even further by continuing the policies of the last eight years.”

Ralph Reed, chairman of the Faith and Freedom Coalition and a member of Trump’s religious advisory board, also said he’s still with the Republican nominee.

“As a Christian, I believe that the Bible teaches, to quote a verse from the New Testament, that we’re to treat older women as our mothers and younger women as sisters in all purity,” Reed told NPR in an interview on Saturday, adding that Trump has apologized. “I think given the stakes in this election and those and other critical issues, I just don’t think an audiotape of an 11-year-old private conversation with an entertainment talk show host on a tour bus, for which the candidate has apologized profusely, is likely to rank high on the hierarchy of concerns of those faith-based voters.”

Former presidential candidate Gary Bauer also said he continues to support the Trump-Pence ticket.

“The 10-year old tape of a private conversation in which Donald Trump uses grossly inappropriate language does not change the reality of the choice facing this country,” the chairman of the Campaign for Working Families said in a statement. “Hillary Clinton is committed to enacting policies that will erode religious liberty, promote abortion, make our country less safe, and leave our borders unprotected. She wants higher taxes and bigger government. She will continue the disastrous economic policies that are destroying America’s working class and middle class families. She is mired in corruption and has put U.S. secrets at risk.”

Trump’s running mate, Gov. Mike Pence, responded to the video, saying, “As a husband and father, I was offended by the words and actions described by Donald Trump. … I do not condone his remarks and cannot defend them. I am grateful that he has expressed remorse and apologized to the American people.”

Pence abstained from a campaign event scheduled for Saturday in Wisconsin with House Speaker Paul Ryan, Politico reported.

The Washington Post’s National Political Reporter, Philip Rucker, said Gov. Pence is “inconsolable” since the leaked video surfaced. “A source close to Trump camp told me Pence and his team are ‘absolutely apoplectic,’ ‘melting down’ and ‘inconsolable,'” Rucker tweeted.

Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus condemned Trump’s remarks. “No woman should ever be described in these terms or talked about in this manner. Ever,” he said in a statement.

Former Republican Presidential Candidate Carly Fiorina called for Trump to drop out of the presidential race.

“We must have a conservative in the White House to restore accountability, opportunity and security. For the sake of our Constitution and the rule of law, we must defeat Hillary Clinton,” she wrote in a Facebook post. “Today I ask Donald Trump to step aside and for the RNC to replace him with Gov. Mike Pence.”

Trump has categorically said he won’t quit.

Arizona Republican John McCain said he can no longer back Trump. “I thought it important I respect the fact that Donald Trump won a majority of the delegates by the rules our party set. I thought I owed his supporters that deference,” McCain told Politico. “But Donald Trump’s behavior this week, concluding with the disclosure of his demeaning comments about women and his boasts about sexual assaults, make it impossible to continue to offer even conditional support for his candidacy.”

Utah Rep. Jason Chaffetz also announced withdrawal of his endorsement of Trump. “I’m out. I can no longer in good conscience endorse this person for president. It is some of the most abhorrent and offensive comments that you can possibly imagine,” he told Fox 13 News.

Former GOP candidate for president Jeb Bush said no apology will do. “As the grandfather of two precious girls, I find that no apology can excuse away Donald Trump’s reprehensible comments degrading women,” he wrote on Twitter. Similarly, Ohio Gov. John Kasich, also a former Republican presidential candidate, tweeted, “Make no mistake the comments were wrong and offensive. They are indefensible.”

However, while apologizing, Trump said, “This is nothing more than a distraction from the important issues we are facing today. … I’ve said some foolish things, but there is a big difference between words and actions. Bill Clinton has actually abused women and Hillary has bullied, attacked, shamed and intimidated his victims.”

Trump’s wife, Melania, pleaded with voters in a gracious response to her husband’s 2005 remarks, which she acknowledged were “unacceptable and offensive to me.”

“This does not represent the man that I know. He has the heart and mind of a leader,” she said in a statement. “I hope people will accept his apology, as I have, and focus on the important issues facing our nation and the world.”

The following piece of crap is the Trump “apology” which apparently cleans and disinfects Trump in those rabidly delusional minds:

“Here is my statement.
I’ve never said I’m a perfect person, nor pretended to be someone that I’m not. I’ve said and done things I regret, and the words released today on this more than a decade-old video are one of them. Anyone who knows me, know these words don’t reflect who I am.

I said it, it was wrong, and I apologize.

I’ve travelled the country talking about change for America. But my travels have also changed me. I’ve spent time with grieving mothers who’ve lost their children, laid off workers whose jobs have gone to other countries, and people from all walks of life who just want a better future. I have gotten to know the great people of our country, and I’ve been humbled by the faith they’ve placed in me. I pledge to be a better man tomorrow, and will never, ever let you down.
Let’s be honest. We’re living in the real world. This is nothing more than a distraction from the important issues we are facing today. We are losing our jobs, we are less safe than we were 8 years ago and Washington is broken.
Hillary Clinton, and her kind, have run our country into the ground.

I’ve said some foolish things, but there is a big difference between words and actions. Bill Clinton has actually abused women and Hillary has bullied, attacked, shamed and intimidated his victims. We will discuss this more in the coming days.

See you at the debate on Sunday.”

Okay, this might possibly have squeaked by as a technical “apology” had Trumped ended with “I said it, it was wrong, and I apologize.” Instead, he launched into a string of lies, i.e., “I’ve been humbled…” is a flat-out impossibility; followed by throwing his own feces at the Clintons in a kneejerk projection reaction.

Regardless…these Evangelical “Christians”, some are still fine and dandy with Donald Trump because he would appoint a new Supreme Court Justice who will abolish abortion entirely and make “Christianity” the law of the land. Well, more or less, but definitely the abortion part, because that’s the one and only thing that these ‘men of the cloth’ really, really hate. They’ll tolerate Trump’s lies, Trump’s now-proven lack of charity, Trump’s lack of love for his neighbor – well, not HIS neighbor, but other people’s neighbors – um, where was I? These religious zealots are blind to Trump’s ignorance of his own or any other ‘faith’, Trump’s cheating his employees, Trump’s violent rhetoric, Trump’s failure to “render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s”, Trump’s attitude towards all women, Trump’s adultery, Trump’s coveting his neighbor’s wife, and Trump’s putting the false god of greed before the Evangelical Whatever-they-are’s “god”? Trump’s own recorded words admit to sexual abuse, along with what some bibles say is one of the big sins, ‘coveting his neighbor’s wife’; but still, these assholier-than-thou [thank you, Z] turn a blind eye to the utter depravity that is Donald Trump. All, ALL, just to stop abortion.

Anyone who calls him- or herself a “Christian”, yet supports Donald Trump, is morally bankrupt, has no soul, and has no claim on “family values” or “freedom” or “patriotism.” From this agnostic, you can all go fuck yourselves.

This is our daily Open Thread. Enjoy yourlves.

52 thoughts on “The Watering Hole, Monday, October 10th, 2016: Still Carrying Holy Water

  1. I just had intestinal flu and spent my time in the bathroom during hurricane Matthew puking my guts out and loving the cool caress of the porcelain throne on my bottom all the while with no electricity.
    After what I’ve learned emerging from my own personal shit storm, I’m not feeling so bad after all. As a matter of fact, I think I got the better end of it.

    • I may be wrong but I think we are witnessing history.
      John “Drunky the bear” Boehner “retiring” to head a tobacco company.
      Ted “Zodiac Killer” Cruz drinking the Kool-Aid
      Michael “I’m a tool” Steele metaphorically refers to his own party as toxic and useless by way of nuclear explosion.
      Donald “don’t leave your daughter alone with him” Trump proving that he is a creepy perv beyond a doubt.

      What a time to be alive

  2. “Anyone who calls him- or herself a “Christian”, yet supports Donald Trump, is morally bankrupt, has no soul, and has no claim on “family values” or “freedom” or “patriotism.” From this agnostic, you can all go fuck yourselves.”

    Same from this Christian.

    • Here’s how I said, essentially, the same thing.

      “If you claim to have “values” and are even considering voting for Trumpy? You are a liar, a hypocrite, a fool, and a bad effing person on any scale that can be used to judge the quality of a human being. Period.”

    • I’m guessing that it must have been at least sixty years ago — maybe I was 13 or 14, not sure. I was having a chit chat with my dad on one of those Sunday mornings when we both managed to avoid my mom’s traditional Sunday church thing by way of pop’s insistence that there was work to be done in his bakery — defrosting freezers, mopping floors — stuff that couldn’t get done on the week’s other six days. We talked about religion (easier to do when not in church). I mentioned how it seemed strange, to me, that so many of the ‘older’ people I knew (i.e. ‘old’ people who were working every day and no longer in school) were always going to church on Sundays, but during the week never seemed to do any of that nice stuff the preacher always talked about.

      Pop explained to me why that was. He said it was one thing to know all that stuff, but an entirely different thing to live it, to do it. We talked about things for awhile, various aspects, how so many ‘Christians’ left it all behind come Monday morning. He finally added, after a moment of silence, “I’ve never said or thought I was a Christian, but when it comes to the rest of the week other than that hour on Sunday, I’m a better ‘Christian’ than any of them.”

      And he was. He never cheated anyone, never lied, always did the best he could do; he was generous, helped those who needed help; and he treated everyone – M and F, race, religion, etc. – the same. No hate, no fear, no prejudice. Ever.

      I’m thinking he would find today’s world difficult, phony Christian wingnuts in particular. And yep, he — nontheist that he was — would be a far better Christian than the entire of that pile of those — phony — “Christians” running loose out there will ever be.

      And they would hate him for it.

      • What a lovely tribute to your father. Mine did attend church every Sunday. He probably never said one word to me about religion. He owned a drug store in a very poor section of Richmond, and he lived his faith every day. If someone needed help, they got it. It was a more effective Christian education than any attendance at Sunday School could ever have given me.

  3. Trump Taj Mahal closes after 26 years; nearly 3,000 workers lose jobs

    Donald Trump opened his Trump Taj Mahal casino 26 years ago, calling it “the eighth wonder of the world.”

    But his friend and fellow billionaire Carl Icahn closed it Monday morning, making it the fifth casualty of Atlantic City’s casino crisis.

    The sprawling Boardwalk casino, with its soaring domes, minarets and towers built to mimic the famed Indian palace, shut down at 5:59 a.m., having failed to reach a deal with its union workers to restore health care and pension benefits that were taken away from them in bankruptcy court.

    Nearly 3,000 workers lost their jobs, bringing the total jobs lost by Atlantic City casino closings to 11,000 since 2014.

    Icahn has enough money he doesn’t have to care, and Trump doesn’t care except it tarnishes his ‘brand’.

  4. Watch Trump try to take credit for this.

  5. The floodgates open: Women call Gloria Allred alleging ‘inappropriate contact by Mr. Trump’

    Civil rights lawyer Gloria Allred said this week that women have begun contacting her with allegations that they were sexually harassed or abused by Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump.

    After news broke over the weekend that Trump had bragged about groping women on a leaked 2005 video, Allred confirmed to Gothamist on Monday that she had been “contacted by women who allege inappropriate contact by Mr. Trump.”

    All who are shocked or even surprised, please scream.


  6. I tend to try and reduce complex ideas into a bumper sticker slogan. Here’s where the latest events have brought me.

    People who do not respect others deserve no respect.

  7. This doesn’t specifically cover what to do if Pence quits the race, but I’m sure the process is similar. The problem is that ballots have already been printed with Pence’s name on them, and votes (presumably some for Trump/Pence) have already been cast. Practically speaking, I don;t think there’s anything they can do if Pence quits. And if Pence wants out, and trump somehow wins, I’m not sure if Pence is obligated to stay out. When they meet to cast the electoral votes, if he gets a majority for VP, then he’s the VP.

  8. Here they are…finally!

    Margaret and Helen

    Margaret, I’ve never been one to hold my tongue and that’s not going to change now. Hillary couldn’t say it because she understands the office she aspires to hold. I, however, am not running for President. And therefore…

    Donald Trump, you fat-ass, lying son-of-a-bitch. Hillary Clinton doesn’t need to give you or anyone else an explanation for her husband’s behavior anymore than Ivana, Marla or Melania need to explain yours. The idea of sexual assault that you promoted is not a distraction. It is an extremely important issue and to suggest otherwise tells me everything I need to know about you. You are the worst kind of man. You are a man who objectifies and belittles women. For God’s sake you thought it was funny that another man called your daughter a piece of ass.

    William Jefferson Clinton is not on the ballot. Hillary Clinton is your opponent. And tonight she grabbed you by your tiny little Johnson and effectively ended this election. You will never be President. Bless your heart, no matter how much you demean and belittle women, karma is about to be a bitch for you because women will be the reason you fail.

    And Mike Pence, you are the worst kind of politician because you wrap yourself in your sanctimonious religious beliefs to legislate your will on others until your religion gets in the way. Then you conveniently kick it to the curb. Suddenly, now you are back on the Trump Train? So 24 hours is all it takes for you to dismiss sexual assault? As a reminder Mike, he said he can grab women by the pussy anytime he wants. If that is what goes on in locker rooms then men should be ashamed. And for the record, Donald doesn’t look like he’s seen the inside of a locker room in decades.

    • I’m publicly speculating it was Paul Manafort who gave Trump the phony Russian story about Blumenthal’s e-mail. Could he sue me if I’m wrong? Probably yes, technically, but why would he? I’m nobody. I have no money and he would have nothing to gain by beating me up in court. And it would make him look both mean and guilty.

    • I wish their webpage would load in a stable manner. It jumps around while you’re trying to read it, and force plays the video when you don’t want to watch it.

    • Oh my. I have long noticed the presence of trolls quoting the Russian Times, using non-native American English, in the WaPo comment section. Now I guess they’ve scored the ultimate troll.

  9. RWNJ Fail for the day. One of the typical trollheads at Discussionist posted this, obviously without reading anything but the title. My bolding in the clip.

    Court rules consumer bureau’s structure unconstitutional

    The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau is “unconstitutionally structured” and must be reorganized, a federal appeals court ruled Tuesday.

    The D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals decided that the new consumer agency, created by Congress in 2010, cannot be headed by a single director who can be removed only for cause by the president.

    Instead, the court said, the president should be able to remove the bureau’s director for any reason and to give him or her orders.

    Judge Brett Kavanaugh, a George W. Bush appointee, wrote for the three-judge panel that the the bureau “will continue to operate and perform its many critical responsibilities, albeit under the ultimate supervision and direction of the president.”

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