The Watering Hole: Friday October 14 2016; “There Was A Fever Over The Land . . .”


A comprehensive guide to accepting Donald Trump’s sexual assault denials


I have to admit it’s more than a little bit fascinating to watch as the REAL Donald Trump emerges from within the orange skinned and squirrel pelt hair version — not that the REAL one is any sort of an improvement, of course. What’s even more fascinating is to watch the intellectual devolution of various chunks of the Republican Party’s Trump supporters, to see how far down into the muck they’re willing to drop and still vibrantly support the ‘thing’ underneath the orange and the pelt. Big question: Just how far down the Trumpian path are his Trumpisstas willing to go? All the way to the end?

Here are a bunch of links to current articles that suggest there just may well be no limits, that all the way to the very bottom is, indeed, their principle option perfectly stated.

Michele Bachmann: Electing Hillary Clinton ‘Will Lead To Even More Sexual Assaults Against Women’

Michele Bachmann: God May Curse America If We Elect Hillary Clinton

Rodney Howard-Browne: America Will ‘Head Towards Civil War’ If Hillary Clinton Wins

James Dobson Continues To Support Trump Because His Comments ‘Don’t Threaten The Future Of This Nation’

Evangelicals slammed Bill Clinton’s sexual misconduct. So why does Trump get a pass?

Dave Daubenmire: ‘We Cannot Vote For Hillary Clinton Because Women Are Not To Have Authority Over Men’

Trump: ISIS Will ‘Take Over This Country’ If Hillary Clinton Wins

Janet Porter: Trump’s Statements Don’t Matter Because Only He Can Save America From Becoming A Police State

On November 9th, Trump’s Followers Will Probably Be More Dangerous Than Trump

Those links seem to more-or-less summarize, overall, the collective attitude(s) of the portion of the political right that can be defined as totally intolerant. It includes the fundamentalist Christian segment, the white supremacist segment, along with the implicit attitudes embedded therein that Donald Trump, the current Republican candidate for POTUS, fully supports and urges forward

For some very very ‘mysterious’ reason, the focus of this, the current political situation underway in the United States, has reminded me of a scene from the 1961 movie, Judgment At Nuremberg — the scene in which German Judge and Tribunal Defendant Ernst Janning (Burt Lancaster) speaks to the Tribunal of the conditions in Germany that led to such horrible and bitter consequences. Here is Janning’s monologue (from the Academy Award winning script by Abby Mann; emphasis mine):

There was a fever over the land. A fever of disgrace, of indignity, of hunger. We had a democracy, yes, but it was torn by elements within. There was, above all, fear. Fear of today, fear of tomorrow, fear of our neighbors, fear of ourselves. Only when you understand that can you understand what Hitler meant to us. Because he said to us: ‘Lift up your heads! Be proud to be German! There are devils among us. Communists, Liberals, Jews, Gypsies! Once the devils will be destroyed, your miseries will be destroyed.’ It was the old, old story of the sacrificial lamb.

What about us, who knew better? We who knew the words were lies and worse than lies? Why did we sit silent? Why did we participate? Because we loved our country! What difference does it make if a few political extremists lose their rights? What difference does it make if a few racial minorities lose their rights? It is only a passing phase. It is only a stage we are going through. It will be discarded sooner or later. ‘The country is in danger.’ We will ‘march out of the shadows.’ ‘We will go forward.’

And history tells you how well we succeeded! We succeeded beyond our wildest dreams. The very elements of hate and power about Hitler that mesmerized Germany, mesmerized the world! We found ourselves with sudden powerful allies. Things that had been denied us as a democracy were open to us now. The world said go ahead, take it! Take Sudetenland, take the Rhineland – remilitarize it – take all of Austria, TAKE IT!

We marched forward, the danger passed. And then one day, we looked around and found we were in even more terrible danger. The rites begun in this courtroom swept over our land like a raging, roaring disease! What was going to be a passing phase became a way of life.

I haven’t made an exact count of the words one would have to change in order to bring Janning’s statement up to date sufficiently to describe the current and emergent politic in this country, but I’m guessing it would be no more than a dozen or so. Some of the substitutions are almost automatic: e.g. Trump for Hitler, America for Germany, Muslims for Gypsies, etc. But the saddest aspect of all, really, is that in Trump’s proposed America, There [will be], above all, fear. Fear of today, fear of tomorrow, fear of our neighbors, fear of ourselves. Only when you understand that can you understand what [Trump] meant to us. Are we as a people — Americans — willing to fall for that nonsensical ruse, the one that devoured both Italy and Germany in the last century? Is Fascism our goal, our ultimate destiny? FEAR? Are we on our way down that path?

Secret Nazi group uncovered after Colorado teen kills himself to prove his commitment to killing Jews

I know it’s not politically correct to use the words Hitler, Nazi, Fascism, Republicans and Trump in the same document, but sometimes the urge becomes overpowering — esp. when piles of evidentiary foundations seem to be lurking ‘out there’ behind every bush. In any case, I’ve said my piece and will leave it to others to decide for themselves the direction the American right wing has taken, along with the possible (and likely) consequences the future will place on full display.


Yeehaw? Achtung?



43 thoughts on “The Watering Hole: Friday October 14 2016; “There Was A Fever Over The Land . . .”

  1. Trump supporters inhabit a different reality. As I watched Michele Obama’s speech yesterday, I was once again baffled as to why so many on the right dislike, and even outright hate, her. She is a class act. As First Lady, she has promoted good nutrition and exercise which do not seem to me to be controversial topics. Why would anyone hate this woman? Beyond the obvious racism, the only possible explanation is that they believe all the crazy nefarious plots the right wing hucksters use to whip up their fan base.

    • I recently read somewhere that Michele is a trans-sexual (proof that Obama IS gay) and that their two children were “stolen” from somewhere, mainly to be a cover for those obvious transgressions they endlessly try to cover up. It’s all downhill from there, of course, because in the ‘hate Obama’ world there can be no uphill.

      Trump has glommed onto embedded right wing irrational hates and fears, and has mastered the technique of bringing it all forward for reapplication. Breitbart and alt-right have clearly taken over Trump’s limited intelligence and in the process turned him into (not a huge challenge) their version of a 21st century American-style Adolf Hitler.

      I’m hoping that collectively, a majority of Americans will see thru it all and stomp on it. We should have the first data point within four weeks.

  2. Why would anyone hate this woman? because for decades they’ve been told to hate her by the likes of Limbaugh, Beck, O’Reilly, etc.

    The Republican Party spent decades building a solid base of voters motivated by hatred, fear, misogyny, xenophobia and the love of christ. Trump is telling them what they’ve been conditioned to hear, and they’re loving it. Trump is the embodiment of everything they’ve been taught to adore.

    • The Republican Party spent decades building a solid base of voters motivated by hatred, fear, misogyny, xenophobia and the love of Christ.

      But Christ didn’t preach a message of hatred, fear, misogyny or xenophobia. In fact, he preached quite the opposite. These people are hypocrites of the worst kind. They don’t actually believe in the things they say they believe in. This is why I think discourse with them is impossible, because they literally do not operate in the same Reality as we. (And, unlike them, I am using the word “literally” correctly.)

      When somebody is wrong, as wrong as wrong can be, then why should I feel I have to compromise with them? Nothing they put out as an opinion on how things should be done is based on factual reality. They say we need to do x,y and z because of a,b and c, except that none of a,b or c is true. So why should I cave in and give them what they want when there is no rational basis for doing so?

      I won’t compromise with Wrong.

      • And they, having been indoctrinated to believing the Universe is only 6000 years old and anyone who says otherwise is aligned with Satan will not compromise either. In their belief system, everything they do is God’s Will, even unto killing those aligned with Satan. They are armed, ready, willing and able to kill for their God. So, too, are fanatics who believe that Allah tells them to kill all infidels.

        Where compromise is not possible, and force must be used to protect the greater good, force is justified. For example, just recently three men were arrested on charges of domestic terrorism, for plotting to blow up an apartment complex/Mosque. Incarcerating such people is preferable to allowing them to start a Holy War.

        Unfortunately, former President Bush’s remarks about a new Crusade, coupled with his illegal wars of aggression, has led many to believe the US has engaged in a Holy War against Islam, and they are responding in kind. Meanwhile the merchants of death laugh all the way to the bank.

  3. So a People reporter has gone public with another allegation that Trump made unwelcome advances.

    So his defense? He comments on her looks. Apparently she’s not worthy of a grope.

    People Magazine slams Trump for "disgusting, pathetic attempt to victimize" reporter – Oct. 13, 2016

    “You take look, look at her, look at her words, you tell me what you think,” Trump said at a rally in West Palm Beach, Florida, on Thursday afternoon. “I don’t think so.”

    • Trump reminds me of a guy I knew in college 50+ years ago. He was, in his own mind, a “ladies man,” and one of his lines pretty much defined the essence of Trump’s concept of women. “I could f**k a rockpile if I thought there was a snake in it.”

    • Parks told Newsplex that he was not a threat and that he was carrying a gun legally.

      “We’re not a threat to anybody, the only threat is ignorance, and ignorance will breed fear,” he said.

      If ‘the only threat is ignorance,’ then he is clearly a bonafied threat even when he leaves his gun at home.

    • I thought we Liberals were supposed to be the sexually deviant ones. And, yes, news reports of Conservatives getting busted for sex crimes (including pedophilia) seem to outnumber those of Liberals. Maybe that’s because we Liberals, in general, have a greater respect for others than Conservatives do.

  4. If politicians really want to do the right thing for the people, they will stop robo calling me and let me get on with my business.

  5. I’ve got a feeling that one of the dams can’t hold much longer. The dam holding back the truly vile shit about Trump is already spilling over while the dam holding back truth from Donald’s mouth sends waves of lies splashing down upon us.

    • Dear FUMBDUCK.
      The current sitting president isn’t a sleazy jackass who brags about all the sex his glorified celebrity ‘entitles’ him to.
      That, and he’s just not an effing creep.

      • Do you mean Steve Harvey?

        Well, he sees “Family Feud” as “family entertainment.” Or, the “character” he plays as host does. And maybe surprised, stunned funny faces is part of the shtick. I’ve seen him console a contestant for a really bad answer only to be flabbergasted it was on the board. just like here.

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