The Watering Hole, Monday, October 24, 2016: Trump Supporters Need To Learn History

After the last presidential debate, a Trump supporter told Face The Nation host John Dickerson that “morality and values” were important to her.

“Based on what the country was based on,” she said. “I think that the laws that Obama has passed, the way the country has — I call it down turning. Some of the other people are proud of it and happy for it. I personally am against it, the homosexuals, the abortions. All the stuff, I am against.”

Asked if “Make America Great Again” meant to her a return to the time before legal abortion and gay rights, she replied “That’s part of it.”

Perhaps if some if these Guardians of Morality knew more of their American history, they’d be thankful for gay people, and would be more than happy to extend to them the recognition that they are equally deserving of the rights the rest of us take for granted. How many heterosexuals out there have gotten fired for being straight? It so happens that Friedrich Wilhelm August Heinrich Ferdinand Steuben, the man General George Washington hired to train our Revolutionary War soldiers, the man more popularly known as Baron von Steuben, was gay.

So the next time some Christian Conservative (an oxymoron, as Jesus did not teach a philosophy of Conservatism) rants against gay people, point out that the freedom to rant and rave such a hateful position in public was guaranteed because a gay man brought discipline and structure to our nation’s early armies and enabled them to help the French Army defeat the British.

This is our daily open thread. Feel free to discuss whatever you wish. It’s a free country, thanks to a gay man.

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19 thoughts on “The Watering Hole, Monday, October 24, 2016: Trump Supporters Need To Learn History

  1. The people of the U.S. have a short, short attention span and a memory based on convenience.
    Cheap gas, Monday night football and schools that teach test taking and no critical thinking.
    Give me convenience or give me death.

  2. Tom Hayden has died.

    When I was in college, we had a contingent of volunteers to be Peacekeepers at the No Nukes Rally in Battery Park. Prior to the event, some of the organizers of the rally came to our school to talk to us Peacekeepers. Among them were John Hall (of Orleans, and my future Congressman), Jane Fonda and her then-husband Tom Hayden.

      • I just wish she had a more prominent spot at MSNBC. She should be hosting an hour in prime-time rather than weekend mornings when no self-respecting drinker is awake.

        • She used to have a show on weekdays, around 1 p.m. PT, but, like so many good things at MSNBC, she was kicked to the weekend.

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