The Weekend Watering Hole, December 3rd-4th, 2016

As George W. Bush so eloquently stated all those years ago, “There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.”

There are countless numbers of people who should have taken to heart even Dubya’s garbled version (perhaps he had been listening to The Who on his way to that day’s event) of the saying, “Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me”, during this past Presidential campaign and election. The vast majority of those people belong in that huge conglomeration known as “The Media”. Subgroups include, but are not limited to: cable and other news channels, their corporate owners and news division heads, “journalists”, “reporters”, newspundits aka talking heads, political strategists, and official spokeswhores for political candidates. I’m not even going to bother going into the internet “media”, that would be like peeling away every layer of the world’s largest onion (and would bring tears to your eyes, too.) Better to focus on the main offenders.

On Thursday, a “postmortem session” was held at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University, attended by representatives of several of the above subgroups. Apparently this is a traditional event that’s held following Presidential elections. As described in general in this article in The Washington Post, this year’s event quickly devolved into a “shouting match.”

A lot of lies were told, and false narratives put forward; too many for me to address all at once, so I’ll limit myself for now and add further commentary as the weekend progresses and time allows.

Clinton communications director Jennifer Palmieri condemned [Steve] Bannon, who previously ran Breitbart, a news site popular with the alt-right, a small movement known for espousing racist views.

“If providing a platform for white supremacists makes me a brilliant tactician, I am proud to have lost,” she said. “I would rather lose than win the way you guys did.”

Kellyanne Conway, Trump’s campaign manager, fumed: “Do you think I ran a campaign where white supremacists had a platform?”

“You did, Kellyanne. You did,” interjected Palmieri…”

Yes, you did, Kellyanne. Trump’s rants freed the voices and actions of a legion of bigots, including and especially white supremacists. But you and other Trump campaign spokeszombies denied, deflected and disowned reports of rising anti-Muslim anti-immigrant, anti-minorities threats and violence, along with Nazi-related graffiti, etc., often in Trump’s name; you did everything but denounce it in the strongest of terms. Forfuckssake, your candidate actually gained ground when he refused to tone down his violence-condoning rhetoric.

“Do you think you could have just had a decent message for white, working-class voters?” Conway asked. “How about, it’s Hillary Clinton, she doesn’t connect with people? How about, they have nothing in common with her? How about, she doesn’t have an economic message?”

Well, Kellyanne, Secretary Clinton DID have a “decent message for white, working-class voters” – the problem was that Trump’s unsubtle dog-whistle message stripped away the veneer of decency from certain segments of “white, working-class voters.” Maybe if Clinton had couched her economic message and policies in lurid hyperbole instead of measured, factual terms, the “media” would have given her more coverage, and more “white, working-class voters” might have paid attention. Or not. I think that once Trump opened his campaign with his lying anti-Mexican slurs, the inner xenophobe in too many Americans sat up and proclaimed “now, that guy speaks MY language.” (Yes, when your language is ‘limited vocabulary/poor grammar’ Americanese.) Trump’s angry shouting drowned out any more mundane, pragmatic offerings from Hillary Clinton. And “the media” simply ran with the loudest “monster-shouter” (H/T Stephen King’s “The Stand.”)

Trump officials said Clinton’s problems went beyond tactics to her weaknesses as a candidate and the deficits of a message that consisted largely of trying to make Trump unacceptable.

[Clinton campaign manager Robby] Mook posited that the media did not scrutinize Trump’s refusal to release his tax returns as intensively as the issue of Clinton’s private email server.

Conway retorted: “Oh, my God, that question was vomited to me every day on TV.”

First the only weaknesses candidate Clinton had were that she’s center-right (which means dangerously left to the impaired judgment of the right-wing), her name is Hillary Clinton, and she’s a woman. She was not “the most crooked politician ever to run for President”, or anything even close to it. She did not murder anyone, despite all of the “body count” conspiracies. And, despite millions of dollars and thousands of hours of fruitless investigations, she did not cause the deaths in Benghazi. Hillary stayed on message the majority of the time, but how could she NOT point out all of the myriad reasons why Trump made HIMSELF unacceptable? Especially since “the media” wasn’t doing a damn thing to inform voters of those reasons?

Second, yes, Kellyanne, you were asked about Trump’s tax returns every day, because neither you nor Trump ever answered the fucking question. As with so many other important questions, you were the one who was projectile-vomiting nonsensical talking points, redirecting the interview right back to Hillary and her emails, or Benghazi, or whatever the current Clinton faux-scandal was on your agenda.

“Conway accused Clinton’s team of being sore losers. “Guys, I can tell you are angry, but wow,” she said. “Hashtag he’s your president. How’s that? Will you ever accept the election results? Will you tell your protesters that he’s their president, too?”

Well, ‘hashtag’ FUCK YOU, Kellyanne, would Trump have accepted the election results if he had lost? You know the answer to that one, you slimy harpy twat. And fuck every goddamned Republican who dares to demand that we kowtow to Donald Trump and his minions, after every word and deed from the right wing for the last eight years were meant solely to stop duly-elected President Obama from actually acting as the American President. Donald Trump is incapable of giving any dignity or credence to the Office of the President of the United States; IMO, he doesn’t even aspire to do so. “Sad.”

Kellyanne, you’re a paid professional liar, and you sold your shriveled, empty soul to an amoral selfish greedy disgusting excuse for a human being. If there really is a Hell, I’m sure that you’ll eventually end up being the spokeswhore for Satan.

There was so much more that I hope to address eventually. Plus, there’s a more detailed account of the discussions at the Harvard event here.

“The media” seemed to feel that its job was to sit back and let Trump be his deplorable self, almost idly marveling in wonder as to how Trump got away with telling the out-and-out lies that he did. It took until the last month or so before the election for “the media” to, to a small degree, come out of its collective catatonic state and finally challenge some of the lies, but there were too many and it was too late. “The media” owns a yuge chunk of the blame for this election’s horrific outcome. But that’s a topic that also needs more time than I have at this moment. But an important part of that discussion involves both Jeff Zucker and CNN’s endless and usually uncritical coverage of all things Trump, along with the insidious, duplicitious role of Trump campaign advisor/CNN political “pundit” Corey Lewandowski and his current role in the Trump transition.

This is our Weekend Open Thread – discuss whatever you’d like.

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9 thoughts on “The Weekend Watering Hole, December 3rd-4th, 2016

  1. Will you tell your protesters that he’s their president, too?”

    Don’t bother. Trump is not “my” president and he never will be. He lost the election by nearly 3 million votes, so don’t bore me with that “president” and “president-elect” shit.

    Oh, and BTW, I notice former General Petraeus (Betrayus?) is being considered by Trump for Secretary of State. Amusing. Trump ranted on and on and on (falsely) about Hillary’s emails when she was Secretary of State, and how she put classified info at risk with her private server — and now he’s looking at Betrayus, the guy that’s already been convicted and is on probation for unlawfully sharing classified documents (and was fined $100,000) for the same position. Betrayus DID what Hillary was accused of but never did, and . . . GIVE ME A BREAK!

    If Trump would wrap himself in the flag, I can see no greater justification to support flag burning than that. The guy is an egomaniacal narcissist and a compulsive liar. He is NOT my president. Period.

    • “Will you tell your protesters that he’s their president, too?”

      Kellyanne, will you tell Trump’s followers that American is NOT “Trumpland”, and tell the white supremacists among them to stop threatening citizens? No? I didn’t think so.

      Again, FUCK YOU, Kellyanne!

  2. When Obama was elected those on the right said he wasn’t their President. Now, there are many on the left saying the same about Trump.

    I won’t play that game. Barring unforeseen circumstances Trump will be the President on January 20. I can acknowledge that without either claiming ownership or rejecting the fact that the Olocarchy wanted him in charge.

    • I can’t go there. Wish I could, but nope, no way. Trump lost by close to 3 million votes; the only reason he’s pres.-elect is because the system remains screwed up. Besides, I have no interest in submitting to fascism and/or the myth of white supremacism either. I like to think that had I lived in Germany in the thirties and forties, Hitler wouldn’t have been “MY” fuhrer then any more than Trump is now.

      My bad attitude won’t have any effect, won’t turn Trump into an honest and honorable man, I know. But I’m not interested in turning myself into one who supports a president defined by fractious dishonesty and egomania, either.

      See also:

      Fake news, a fake president and a fake country: Welcome to America, land of no context

      What pisses me off most of all, though, is that at my age, leaving this country for good and heading off to someplace that still has possibilities isn’t really much of an option. Ah, to be 20-30 years younger!

  3. Kellyanne Conway Defends Trump’s Shameful Tweets: ‘He’s President-Elect So That’s Presidential’

    CNN host Jake Tapper questioned whether Trump’s use of Twitter was “presidential behavior.”

    “Well, he’s the president-elect,” Conway shrugged. “So that’s presidential behavior, yes.”

    I have to wonder: why didn’t Tapper simply say something like, “So that means STUPID is now presidential. Right?”

    Kellyanne would prolly have wet herself, but what the hey.

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