Sunday Roast: Trump Trouble & Debate Live-Blogging

The truly funny part about this video is that it was posted in July.  Randy Rainbow just had a feeling, I guess…but I don’t need to know the details.

Soooo, in a continuation of the Great Emasculation, Hillary Clinton and Donald “Tic Tac” Trump will appear at a town hall style forum in St Louis, MO (6 pm, PT), wherein inexplicably undecided voters will ask questions of the candidates.

Hillary will attempt to behave in a statesman-like manner, while barely containing her giggles and snorts in regard to the state of her opponent’s campaign; and Donald will flop and flail around like a potty-mouthed steelhead landed next to the fish ladder — you almost made it, little guy! — and will probably say something that will cause me to choke on my popcorn within the first 15 minutes.

Join us, whether you’re just hanging out in the comments section, or doing hard-hitting live commentary on the 2016 presidential race (somebody should, I guess), or just pointing and laughing your ass off like the rest of us.

EDIT:  Here’s one of the places you can watch the aforementioned clusterfuck:

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Comic Relief – Scots insult Trump -NSFW

Just when I thought I’d never laugh again Trump posted this on twitter:

And the Scots managed to rise to the occasion. I have rarely seen such a collection of choice swearwords.

Here are my favourites:

“Sentient enema” wasn’t all that bad either. I stopped counting easy ones like “fuckwad”, “fuck-knuckle” or “twat-stick”. I rather liked “nylon-haired shit stain”.

The following was rather ingenious, too:

For a favourite I have this classic (with audio in the timeline):

Here’s the audio (click the pic.twitter link):

I second those thoughts and want to add that I am looking forward to welcoming Scotland in the EU.

 

Brexit – Live

 

In the video above you find a compelling explanation what Brexit is about really. Having watched some of the debates and quite a bit of coverage on BBC, ITV and a couple more news sites, I can fully agree with him. It is about immigration. And nationalism and then some immigration.

I’ll watch some of the BBC voting night coverage and will give you the first couple of developments live as they unfold. Then I will probably collapse, because I am not as young as I used to be when I joined you all for a night of music, booze and cigarettes on Music Night.

Whatever is the result tomorrow morning, I’ll let you know.

Fair warning: If they vote “Leave”, I will be seriously pissed off, because I still haven’t given up on the hope to spend my retirement in the North of England. I would have to go to Scotland instead, because the Scots will then leave the UK and reenter the EU.

Here’s a heat map of how Britons stand on the issue:

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source: http://news.sky.com/story/1659864/skys-brexit-map-reveals-most-pro-leave-areas

So let’s get started….and hope for the best.

The Watering Hole; Friday June 3 2016; The “Descent” of Man Can Lead To Insanity: Proof!

“I have been studying the traits and dispositions of the lower animals
(so-called), and contrasting them with the traits and dispositions of man.
I find the result humiliating to me. For it obliges me to renounce my
allegiance to the Darwinian theory of the Ascent of Man from the Lower
Animals; since it now seems plain to me that the theory ought to be
vacated in favor of a new and truer one, this new and truer one to be named
the Descent of Man from the Higher Animals.
(Mark Twain)

“I’ve always been crazy, it’s kept me from goin’ insane
(Waylon Jennings)

I think I’m finally ready to proclaim Republicans as having taken that one step beyond crazy (which, of course, they’ve always been), and that they have now — finally and obviously — crossed over the bar into the realm of the  insane. Yep. True story. Following are a mere five episodes that prove the point — and note I’ve not even included anything by Ted Nugent or Wayne LaPierre! They’ll show up soon, no doubt, but more as icing on the cake rather than as parcel to  the foundational bedrock portrayed below:

Trump: ‘Germany’s Going Down. They’re All Going

Trump, who has frequently criticized German Chancellor Angela Merkel for her stance on refugees and because she, in his view, robbed him of the 2015 TIME Person of the Year title, told [Michael] Savage [Weiner] that refugees will destroy the continent: “I’ll tell you, you’re going to destroy Europe. Germany’s going down. They’re all going down. It’s unbelievable; unbelievable what’s happening in Europe.”

White Nationalists: Trump May Not Meet All Our Expectations, But Neither Did Jesus

White nationalists James Edwards and Keith Alexander discussed Donald Trump’s success on their racist, anti-Semitic podcast, “The Political Cesspool,” on Saturday, with Alexander comparing Trump to Jesus. Alexander said that Jesus, like Trump, didn’t fully meet conservatives’ expectations in his day and was rejected as the messiah, a mistake that he said Americans shouldn’t make with Trump. . . .

“The most important thing about Trump is what comes after Trump,” Edwards said. “And I think his campaign has proven that Americans are ready for hardcore nationalist politics and populism.” . . .

Alexander continued, “[Trump] is a leader, not an intellectual, and as a result he’s bound to be a disappointment to people that would like to see Pat Buchanan in his position, but we have to take what we can get. We can’t expect purity in every regard. Those who do, it’s just like Jesus. Jesus didn’t meet the expectations of the conservative intellectual Pharisees of his time to be the messiah and, as a result, they rejected the messiah. We don’t need to make their mistake.”

The Movers Behind The Anti-LGBT ‘Religious Liberty’ Movement

In the first few months of this year, for the second year in a row, more than 100 anti-LGBT bills have been introduced in state legislatures, many of them promoted under the banner of protecting religious liberty. A new report by People For the American Way Foundation, “Who is Weaponizing Religious Liberty?,” explains that “it takes a right-wing village to turn a cherished American principle into a destructive culture-war weapon.”

The report makes clear that the wave of anti-equality legislation promoted in the name of religious liberty is not an outgrowth of local conflicts but the latest step in a long-term campaign by national Religious Right legal and political groups to resist legal equality for LGBT people. As Americans have come to know and embrace their LGBT family members and friends, harsh anti-gay rhetoric has become less effective, says the report, leading social conservatives to try to reclaim the moral and political high ground by reframing debates over marriage equality and nondiscrimination protections as questions of religious liberty.

The groups covered in the report include:

• Family Research Council and FRC Action
• Heritage Foundation and Heritage Action
• National Organization for Marriage
• Alliance Defending Freedom
• Liberty Counsel
• American Family Association
• Becket Fund for Religious Liberty
• American Principles Project

Jim Bakker: Anti-Trump Forces May Impose Martial Law Or Cancel The Election

When televangelist Jim Bakker and far-right writer Michael Snyder discussed the upcoming presidential election last week, both were rather excited about the prospect of Donald Trump winning in November.

That is, if the election ever takes place.

Both Bakker and Snyder feared that powerful forces may try to cancel the election, and Bakker warned that we “may not even get to the election” because “there’s going to be a martial law declared.” “Some have actually prophesied this,” Bakker added.

William Gheen: ‘Roots’ Remake Part Of Globalist Plot to Spark Anti-White Violence

William Gheen, the head of the fringe anti-immigrant group Americans for Legal Immigration (ALIPAC), told WorldNetDaily yesterday that the remake of the famous 1977 miniseries “Roots” that aired over Memorial Day weekend is part of a globalist plot to “agitate black voters into voting for Democrats” and spark anti-white violence.

“We are under attack,” he said. “The enemy is here. And they are springing a trap from within.”

[. . .]

Gheen says it’s the same global factions who were behind the creation of the European Union that are now pushing for violent uprisings in the U.S. and to push the nation over the edge into chaos and, they hope, a new social order.

“They hate the United States and its Judeo-Christian heritage, our Constitution, our gun rights, this is all considered remnants of a white male-dominated, colonial civilization that they want destroyed irrevocably,” Gheen said. “It’s a demographic form of genocide which they believe will have no resurgence in history.”

So there, those five brief chunks of crazy define, here in Amurkka, the ‘gentle’ transition from crazy to insane, each the clear product of The Descent of Man From the HIGHER Animals (today’s Republican Party, generally speaking). Now, I’m not proclaiming each and every Republican to be insane; we’ll wait till the November votes are counted — that will give us an exact and precise number.

Meanwhile, I do indeed look forward to the takeover of the Amurkkkan political system by non-crazy and non-insane people. And if that means no more White Males, I’ll happily settle for any/all of opposite gender and/or those of various ethnicities, each and all  of which strike fear into the hearts and “minds” of fear-laden crazies.

Vamos a’ ver. We shall see. Five months plus a few days to go, and counting!

“It is a solemn thought: dead, the noblest man’s meat is inferior to pork.”
(Mark Twain)

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The Watering Hole; Thursday June 2 2016; The “Descent of Man” (aka Conservatism)

“I’ve always been crazy, it’s kept me from goin’ insane”
(Waylon Jennings)

Waylon probably didn’t intend it at the time, but as it turns out he summed up today’s Wingnut-Evangelical-Political Right’s subliminal reality in just those ten words. [They’ve] always been crazy, absolutely. As to whether that’s kept [them] from goin’ insane I’ll not speculate;  better to leave that detail to folks who do such things for a living.

But– as long as we’re SPEAKING OF INSANITY!, here are some of

  1. The latest reasons that Drumpf is clearly THE best choice in November!!

James Robison: Donald Trump Could Save America From Hell

Anti-Vaxxer: President Trump ‘Absolutely Will Investigate’ The Vaccine-Autism Link Nonsense

Scott Lively: President Trump Should ‘Apologize To The World’ For Obama’s ‘Fascist LGBT Agenda’

2. Next, the latest in why Hillary better-don’t win:

Roger Stone And Rick Wiles Wonder About Hillary Clinton’s Lesbian Affairs

Far-Right Pundit Warns Hillary Clinton Is A Modern-day Jezebel

3. LGBT rights anyone? YOU BETTER NOT WANT THAT! Here’s the latest implicit why’s and therefore’s from people who clearly KNOW the consequences of (and the reasons for — see Dobson, below) all the hell that’s going to bust loose any day now:

Trump-Aligned Pastor: Trans Rights Will Provoke ‘The Judgment Of God

Perry Atkinson: Protecting Transgender Rights Is The ‘Social, Educational And Spiritual Molestation Of Our Children’

Gov. Phil Bryant: Christians Will Line Up For Crucifixion To Defend Anti-LGBT Discrimination

NOM’s Brian Brown To Lead Global Anti-LGBT Efforts At World Congress Of Families

James Dobson Goes On Anti-Trans Rant: ‘God Help Us!’

4. Summary: Vote for Drumpf, cuz here’s what happens if not enough do and the Supreme Court goes Librul:

Larry Pratt: If Conservatives Lose The Supreme Court, We May ‘Have To Resort To The Bullet Box

5. And finally, something that might, to the untrained eye, seem totally unrelated (even though it forever remains descriptive of the bulk of the undercurrents which drive Right Wing Lunacy):

Creationist Ken Ham goes bonkers over media coverage of ‘sin-cursed’ gorilla’s death

Ham has yet to realize that same thing the bulk of conservatives everywhere seem doomed to never know or understand for the rest of their respective eternities: They have, each and all, been overly and overtly diminished on their evolutionary path from Great Ape to what they’ve become today, and the gorilla clearly remains the far superior creature by comparison.** As Mark Twain suggested a century ago, man is clearly descended from the HIGHER animals, a thesis which is, today, PROVEN by wingnuts everywhere — and one that undoubtedly explains the cause of all Wingnut shortfalls, insanity included.

**See also Trump, Donald J. (aka Drumpf, Donald J.)

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Sunday Roast: Another year gone; what have we learned?

I know I’ve posted this video a few times over the years, in one form or another, but I’m posting it again.

Why?  That’s a good question.  I’m glad you asked.

I don’t know if it’s because I’m feeling especially pessimistic or cynical these days, but I’m thinking that we haven’t learned anything over the past year.  Maybe it’s just that the United States is absolutely fucking bonkers right now, and I’m having trouble seeing the good in the world; or maybe we’re at a critical turning point, and, much like correcting a naughty child, the behavior gets much worse before it starts getting better.

I hope it’s both, and I hope the “getting better” part starts happening soon.

This is the last Sunday Roast of the year — What do you think?

The Watering Hole, Monday, October 19th, 2015: Word of Life Christian Church of Death

Last week, a young man of 19 was beaten to death, and his 17-year-old brother was beaten senseless, in the sanctuary of the Word of Life Christian Church in a small town in upstate New York. Lucas Leonard, the 19-year-old, and his brother Christopher Leonard, were beaten during an “intervention” by their parents and several other church members, in an effort to get the boys to ‘confess their sins and beg forgiveness.’

Yes, there’s lots wrong with those sentences. But then, everything I’ve read about this killing is so very wrong. Here are several examples from various reports on this heinous beating marathon:

From the Olean Times-Herald, a local newspaper in Oneida county, where the killing took place:

“An attorney for the mother, Deborah Leonard, said she felt helpless to stop an “intervention” that spiraled into severe punishment by others at the Word of Life Christian Church. But a lawyer for the father, Bruce Leonard, said the incident stemmed from a family meeting that had nothing to do with the church.”

[It has been said that at least the older son wanted to leave the church/wanted to join the Army; and/or that he (or both boys, still unclear) had attended a pro-choice rally.]

“A timid Deborah Leonard “went along with” others in a church where she had worshipped for years, not anticipating how harsh the intervention would become, said her lawyer, Devin Garramone.

“She didn’t have the temerity to stand up to them and say, ‘You’re not punishing my kid,'” said Garramone, adding that he believed she didn’t cause the fatal injuries.”

Sure, a “timid Deborah Leonard” “didn’t have the temerity” to try to stop the fatal beating. But apparently [read further below] she was not so timid about joining in the flogging, kicking and punching that comprised the approximately 12-hour-long “intervention.” But it just gets weirder and more horrible.

“Bruce Leonard’s lawyer, Donald Gerace, said the episode “could just as well have taken place outside the church.” He said the Leonards had no intention of seriously injuring their son.”

WTF? Other than the fact that it is hideously fucked-up that this happened inside the SANCTUARY of a (so-called) church, what difference does it make where the parents helped to kill their son? Is the father thinking that saying it could have taken place anywhere somehow exonerates him or mitigates his crime?

“Devoted to the church, spiritual leader Traci Irwin and pastor Tiffanie Irwin, members often “wait to be told what to do,” [New Hartford Police Chief Michael] Inserra said. After the attack, the beating victims’ relatives wouldn’t tell officers where to find the injured Christopher Leonard, who ultimately was located on the church’s second floor, the chief said.”

[Emphasis mine.]

If “the beating victims’ relatives” don’t get an “Obstruction of Justice” or “Obstruction of an Investigation” charge added to the other charges, I’ll be very disappointed.

Then we have these bits from the New York Times’ article about the killing:

The teenagers’ parents, Bruce T. Leonard, 65, and Deborah Leonard, 59, who live in nearby Clayville, have been arrested and charged with first-degree manslaughter in their son’s death. Four other church members, including the teenagers’ half sister, Sarah Ferguson, 33, were also arrested and face felony assault charges.

[This was the first that I heard that Ms. Ferguson was a half-sister; another article says she’s the teens’ stepsister.]

Lawyers entered pleas of not guilty for all six suspects on Tuesday. A lawyer for Ms. Leonard, Devin Garramone, said she had belonged to the church for several decades…“I don’t think this is a clear-cut case of guilt,” Mr. Garramone said on Wednesday. “At first it might look like that, but you have a mother — I don’t think she inflicted these injuries on her son. There were other people involved.”

Could the lawyer get a little more incoherent? Not a thing that he said made any sense. And if “there were other people involved”, it does not make the mother guilt-free.

Of course, being a “church”, this cult is tax-exempt, according to the NYT:

“Word of Life Church, which owns the building it occupies, was incorporated in the 1990s in Oneida County, naming four officers but giving little indication of its mission. A certificate of incorporation filed in 1995 lists Bruce Leonard as a trustee. The church property — valued at $210,843, and sitting on 1.86 acres — is tax-exempt as a religious organization, according to a 2015 assessment roll.”

CNN’s report on the killing includes some weird shit, too:

“Another witness, State Police Sgt. Todd Grant, said Bruce Leonard made admissions about what happened to his son and agreed to write a statement. The interrogation was videotaped. At no point did Bruce Leonard ask about his son, Irwin says.”

Nice concern for your son there, Bruce. What a loving Christian family.

Later, the sergeant said, Deborah Leonard said she had struck Lucas with a cord. When Grant removed a cord from the back of a computer and asked her to demonstrate how she hit him, the investigator said, Deborah Leonard struck a table violently.
Deborah Leonard’s attorney, Devin Garramone, said his client had a stent put in due to a heart condition and requires constant medical attention.

“I cannot imagine my client had anything to do with these injuries, especially in the condition she is in,” he said.

Yes, well, Mr. Garramone, perhaps you should talk to your client again, it seems that her heart condition did not inhibit her, as she demonstrated to Sergeant Grant.

Yet more horror, from an NBC News article:

“A mother and father whipped their 19-year-old son in church with an electrical cord and what appeared to be a belt during a deadly, all-night spiritual counseling session triggered by his desire to leave the fold, according to witness testimony and police Friday.

Church deacon Daniel Irwin testified that he peered through a doorway window in the sanctuary at one point during the more than 12-hour ordeal at the Word of Life Christian Church, and saw Lucas Leonard bleeding and in apparent agony.

[Emphasis mine.]

“Lucas was rolling himself back and forth on the floor and making a sustained, monotone moaning,” Irwin said.

Within hours, the young man would be dead — killed by blows inflicted by his parents, sister and fellow church members, authorities said. His mother told police the group took turns hitting him and holding him down, state police investigator Jason Nellis testified. Irwin, the church deacon, testified that he got a text message after services ended around 8 p.m. Sunday saying the Leonard family would be part of a counseling session with the church’s pastor, Tiffanie Irwin, who is Irwin’s sister. Irwin said he wasn’t told what the session was about.”

Yet when Irwin “peered through a doorway window” and “saw Lucas Leonard bleeding and in apparent agony”, he never thought to report it to any ‘secular’ authorities? He didn’t think to intervene himself? Does this type of “spiritual counseling” happen often at this so-called “church”? WTF kind of “Christian” deacon is he? WTF kind of HUMAN BEING is he, FFS?!

This is from the Word of Life Christian Church’s website:

Under “This Is Us”:

”Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” – Matthew 28:19-20

Word of Life is mission! Mission is not just something we do, it is something we are. The Great Commission is of highest priority, we sense its urgency and therefore reach out into many countries and cultures across the world. Nations filled with precious individuals are waiting for the Good News. We have decided – they shall not wait in vain! We want to reach them, equip them and send them forth. The harvest is great and the number of workers will grow! – Christian Åkerhielm, Missions Director

Huh? Sounds like they took word-salad lessons from Sarah Palin. So, what exactly is their “mission”, and/or their “Great Commission”? To “make disciples of all nations”?

One creepy detail, from the Syracuse.com website might have the ‘answer’ – or an ‘answer’, anyway:

“One stitched textile was framed and hung on the wall that said, in part, “We have been commissioned through the written word of God to reach out to those who have not experienced the love of Jesus Christ in their lives … Through the systematic training up of saints, our goal is for them to reach out confidently, sharing the love and compassion of Jesus Christ…”

“[S]ystematic training up of saints…”? I don’t think that this “church” knows the definition of either “saints” or ‘sainthood’ – nor that of “love” or “compassion”, for that matter. None of those words has ever had anything to do with physically beating anyone to death. I think that Word of Life Christian Church, with fewer than 10,000 members, has some serious delusions of grandeur issues. Hopefully, a thorough investigation into last week’s horrifying beatings will help shine a light on this particular cult of mutant hominids that call themselves “Christians.”

Oh, just to be “fair and balanced,” here’s the Fox News website’s write-up on the beatings. You’ll have to read it for yourselves. Surprisingly – or not, perhaps – it’s almost as poorly written and content-free as the Word of Life “Christian” Church’s “Mission.”

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