A Rose by Any Other Name

would still smell…
Guest Post by SpiritKat
I was driving to church this past Sunday morning, and as I often do, turned on the radio to a talk show. It was in the middle of a program, and, unfortunately, I reached my destination before the program’s close, so I didn’t catch what program it was or who the speaker was. I didn’t recognize the speaker’s voice, but his message centered around the recent school shootings. It became very clear to me when this speaker began telling how all of the shooters in these recent incidents were either Democrats, or children of Democrats and “Liberals”, that he was indulging in the worst kind of hate speech. But does this person realize he has just put a target on the back of the people he is maligning? In his rant, he asked where the Republicans and Tea party activists were in this, and I couldn’t help but shout at the radio, “They’re right there coming out of your mouth you idiot!”
I find it very disturbing when people in such public forums use it for hate speeches. Yes, I certainly understand that they have the right to free speech, and I respect that right, but there is a particularly sinister insidiousness to it when a speaker does so in way that incites others into hatefulness. In my opinion, it is this inciting of hatred that is at the root of a great deal of the violence we’re seeing, including the recent school shootings. This broadcast was solely a pathetic effort to place blame on a particular group of people, and incite people to hate them–and that is just plain wrong. It actually says far more about what kind of person the hate speech broadcaster is than it does anyone else.
During the time I was listening, this radio speaker did not give any facts to support his contention that all these shooters were connected to Democrats, but it matters little, for the fact is, no matter what party, all party members are NOT alike. Granted, Republicans appear to have done their best to “purify” party leadership (kind of reminds one of Hitler’s purification efforts doesn’t it?), but while they’ve done a fair job duping the masses, they haven’t gotten to everyone.
Not all Republicans are conservatives, for example. I happen to have a Republican friend who is an intelligent, reasonable person; what some might call “old school Republican (those folks back before the party became corrupted by the pseudo religious right), or what might today be called moderates.
So, too, all Democrats are not liberals, or even progressives. In fact, not all who are registered as Democrats are even Democrats. Joe Lieberman is a good example of that kind pseudo Democrat. I, myself, am registered as a Democrat, but I absolutely am NOT a Democrat. I am very liberal when it comes to women’s rights, but on many other issues I am very much a moderate, and on a few, even somewhat conservative. But with all the attempts by the ultra conservatives to disenfranchise voters, I simply decided not to bother with changing it.
It takes all kinds to make a society, and it is from that societal “melting pot” that political parties are formed. Every party contains extremes on both ends of the spectrum, along with a wide range of diversity in between. So, even if this radio speaker were correct about the shooters’ political connections, it doesn’t mean a hill of beans, as my mama used to say, because those who in some way carry the label of Democrat are as diverse as the population stuck on this wobbling globe.
I leave you with this thought: perhaps the hate mongers would be wise to reconsider their hate messages. After all, you know what they say about shooting the messenger…

McCain Supporters in Pottsville Shout “Bomb Obama” and Hate-Filled Speeches

More of John McCain supporters, this time at Pottsville, Pennsylvania. October 27, 2008.

This is a report from Keystone Progress.

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McCain and Palin Sued for Hate Speech

66-year old grandmother and civil attorney, Mary Kay Green, is suing John McCain, Sarah Palin and their campaign manager claiming they are “intentionally and recklessly portrayed Barack Obama as a terrorist.”

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“I think John McCain and Sarah Palin have no understanding of what we went through as a nation,” she said. “[The lawsuit] will be dismissed as soon as I hear public statements from these two candidates that they abhor these death threats and that they will not tolerate these intruders in their audiences.”


Neither the McCain nor the Obama campaign offered comment on the lawsuit. But privately, Green said the Obama campaign wants the lawsuit dropped.

“It will be dismissed as soon as I hear these public statements from these two candidates that they abhor these death threats and they will not tolerate these intruders in their audiences,” Green said.

Green spent $350 dollars on her lawsuit. She believes it is worth every penny.

I hope that she gets her wish that the kind of hatred and misinformation we are seeing emanating from the McCain camp and their supporters stops. Check out this picture. It speaks volumes.

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McCain’s Hate Talk Express UPDATED

Here are two videos by BloggerInterrupted as he speaks with crowds of McCain supporters after a rally in Ohio, asking if they think Obama is terrorist.

Palin and McCain have spent several days whipping their crowds into a frothy frenzy culminating chants of Obama is a “terrorist” and people yelling comments like “Kill him!” and “Off with his head!” (The Secret Service is looking into the “Kill Him” comment.) I wonder what the reaction would be if an Obama supporter suggested killing McCain.

Is this not akin to shouting “Fire” in a theatre?

UPDATE: Watch a video from the streets of Pennsylvania from the Pennsylvania Progressive below the fold. It’s even more terrifying.

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Savage, Hannity, O’Reilly Terrorists?

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On Sunday, Jim David Adkisson entered the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church during a children’s musical and began firing a 12-guage shotgun. The results were two people dead and six wounded.

According to the Knoxville News, the police stated that Adkisson wanted to kill liberals and because he couldn’t kill the elected officials, he would instead kill the people he said voted them into office.

Adkisson targeted the church, Still wrote in the document obtained by WBIR-TV, Channel 10, “because of its liberal teachings and his belief that all liberals should be killed because they were ruining the country, and that he felt that the Democrats had tied his country’s hands in the war on terror and they had ruined every institution in America with the aid of media outlets.”‘


Inside the house, officers found “Liberalism is a Mental Health Disorder” by radio talk show host Michael Savage, “Let Freedom Ring” by talk show host Sean Hannity, and “The O’Reilly Factor,” by television talk show host Bill O’Reilly.


Adkisson, 58, of Powell wrote a four-page letter in which he stated his “hatred of the liberal movement,” Owen said. “Liberals in general, as well as gays.”

I wonder why Mr. Adkisson has yet to be labeled a terrorist. He went on a rampage and killed Americans because of his beliefs about our government. He walked into a church and shot people because he felt they elected liberals. As such, this is an attack on the way America is governed. And as such, this should have been labeled a terrorist attack.

But it has not.

When domestic terrorist Timothy McVeigh was tried for his role in the Oklahoma City bombings, it was introduced that he had clippings from a book entitled “The Turner Diaries.” “The Turner Diaries” is a novel popular on the anti-government right.

One of those clippings had this phrase highlighted: “But the real value of all of our attacks today lies in the psychological impact, not in the immediate casualties.”

Another highlighted phrase read, “We can still find them and kill them.”

It’s apparent that hate is what drove this both McVeigh and Adkisson. And that hate was, in part, fueled by the rantings of the right-wing media “darlings” who continuously espouse intolerance and lies and distortions of what “liberal” means.

If you can’t watch clips online, Rush Limbaugh states, about the Virginia Tech shooter:

If this Virgina Tech shooter had an ideology, what do you think it was? This guy had to be a liberal. You start railing against the rich… This guy is a liberal. He was turned into a liberal somewhere along the line. So it was a liberal who committed this act.

The right wing blame all the ills of our country on “Liberals” but never because of their own hate-filled speech. Care and concern for any fellow man is considered Liberal – which they have been quite effective in turning into a dirty word. But Neo-conservatives who preach war and beg for nuclear war, are good. I am at a loss at the kinds of cognitive leaps that are made to connect caring into hate and war into a blessing.

Jim N. at TalkingPointsMemo put up an interesting post relating to Adkisson:

Below I have listed one quote from the (Adkisson’s) letter. Can you guess which one it is?

1. Liberalism IS a confirmed Mental Disorder.

2. Yes, and when free thinking American Patriots take back this country, one of the first orders of business will be to deal with all of you idiotic, liberal, bleeding heart, anti American traitors appropriately

3. We have a traitor among us. GET A ROPE

4. The revolution I spoke of will not be North against South, but will be free thinking American Patriots against anti American traitors such as you, aks/ablaze, and the rest of the bleeding heart, liberal idiots

5. you anti American, liberal traitors still refuse to face the facts, and continue to live in a state of brainwashed, blind denial..

6. Muslims are a cancer on this planet, and guess what? I’m not joking 1 bit.. I say drop a nuke on the mid-east and then stuff pork up their *ss’s!

7. I think pink is great color for liberals, that and yellow

8. Liberals are a cancer on the world.

9. Why is it that spoiled kids of prominent people always become liberal and bitter, but have never made much of a difference in anything

10. [I have a] stated hatred of the liberal movement

11. As a veteran I say to you be thankful for the anonymity the internet gives you, there are probably more than a few ex-military on this site that would get gratification from a face-to-face with you, but you are not worth going to jail for. You are despicable and disgusting. Go see your proctologist, you may be developing brain damage. Now FOAD!

12. Why don’t we test out your real courage and pick a nice quiet dark spot to meet so i can bust your jaw. No more words, Just you, me, and blood. You talk awfully tough on the internet now let’s test out what your REALLY made of.

The statement written by the gunman was number 10. (One of the mildest statements from the list) Your next question should be: where did you get the rest of these quotes? The answer is simple.

Every quote (other than #10) listed, came from a MYFox Local website from across the country.

The right has become an outlet for all the anger and hatred which people in our country feel – for whatever reason. Out of a job? Blame liberals, not Bush policies. Lose your house? Blame liberals. Salary sucks? Blame liberals. Hey, you can even blame liberals for a slump in box office revenue!

Does anyone out there remember how Hitler came to power? He blamed Jews for all the woes of their society. He had a Ministry of Propaganda. We have liberals and Fox News.

But for us, it’s all the fault of the liberals, the ACLU and George Soros!

I found the statement by MissMollyHussain at ThinkProgress to be an amusing read:

This will surely bring out the people who would like to see these hateful people banned from the airwaves and banned from writing books. We already have laws against libel and laws against slander, but laws against inciting violence have always been a bit murky.

The first amendment has always been one of our most cherished freedoms. But where should the line be drawn? Are Savage, Hannity, and O’Reilly deriving any joy from what their books have wrought? Probably not — in fact, they will most likely do their utmost to downplay any role their books had in this violence, alleging that Adkisson is a total nutcase and their books wouldn’t have made any difference. In fact, the ACLU would most likely defend their right to write whatever crap they want.

Oh the irony should the ACLU defend Hannity, Savage or O’Reilly for encouraging domestic terrorism.

h/t: Wayne A. Schneider