No, I’m not kidding. I wish to God I was.
From infowars.com comes a shocking account of just how bad it has become in this police state we are living in. In Utah, a man is tasered after refusing to sign a speeding ticket he disagreed with. The man was being entirely calm and reasonable, and made no threatening moves whatsoever towards the officer.
Disagreeing with a police officer is now enough to get you tasered.
Mere DISAGREEMENT.
Please, watch the entire video. All of it…including another officer chatting with the first, joking about the effects of tasers and telling the first “well, good for you”.
Oh, and one more small point, the “arresting officer” completely failed to read the “perp” his Miranda rights, despite being reminded of this obligation by none other than the “perp” himself.
It took me over ten minutes to write this post, as I am still literally shaking with rage.
TheZoo 
OMFG!
Why are these assholes still on the force?
This sort of behavior is encouraged, trueblue. It hasn’t been about “protect and serve” for a while now.
That is completely fucked up and out of line. The Police are enforcing a dictatorship if this type of thing is allowed to happen.
A recent story in Seattle was about how the citizens review board, that is supposed to review cases of police violence and shootings, can be overruled by the police chief. They essentially can’t do anything.
I don’t think he had any reason to search the car after either. If they’d had something in the car would they have not signed the ticket? Unbelievable. And the guy was pointing out that there’d been no speed limit sign so the original stop was an abuse. I can see what you were shaking about.
Then he did lie to that other officer about why he tasered the guy. If he had a legitimate reason why did he lie?
“Because you did not obey my instuctions”
That is what this country is becoming. This cop actually thinks that just because he is a cop, everyone has to “obey” his instructions, no matter how unconstitutional they are.
Shayne, that was my first thought. He had NO right to search that car. No probable cause.
This was seriously bogus. The cop was lying at the end to the other cop and it was all on tape. Insane.
I can’t imagine what was going through the mind of the wife and child in the car. How frightening.
Cops have been doing this shit to people for a while now. Especially since 9/11 when everyone in a uniform automaticly became an untouchable “hero”. The only real difference is now they aren’t mostly just the underclasses.
They never once said “meow” Fuckin’ jerks!
Hi muse! Is all your shopping done for tomorrow? I’m finished shopping now I have to start cooking.
db, I have an heirloom turkey, do I NEED to brine it? Or should I WANT to brine it?
I agree with everyone. A blatant case of police brutality. The “search” in the car afterwards should be found to be illegal and unconstitutional, as the arrest was illegal and unconstitutional. The man was not “trying to get away” from the scene, he was merely trying to get away from the taser pointed at him. The cop lied to his buddy about issuing a warning that he was going to taser the guy. This was not a situation that required the cop to use any kind of force at all (beyond the sound of his loud, obnoxious voice), as the man was not offering any physical resistance.
I hope that someone can follow this case (maybe Keith Olbermann?) and let us know when the guy’s case gets thrown out.
I almost got burned by a cop for this same stupid “infraction” once. It was about 5:30 in the morning and I was approaching an area that had construction warning signs and notices that the speed limit was reduced for that area. (I operate on the legal assumption that a work zone is a place where work is actually being performed at the time, not a place where work might commence some time later.) Anyway, the cop in front of me slammed on the brakes to slow down, so I went around him. At that time, we were practically the only two on the road. Suddenly the lights were flashing and he was pulling me over. He said that there was a speed limit sign back there and why didn’t I slow down? I said, “I’m sorry, officer, but I didn’t see any sign.” Yes, I lied to a police officer. But I did it because he was being an abusive dick. I’m sure a “jury of my peers” would have agreed. Anyway, he must have been having a bad night because he just snarled at me to “try to be more careful”. I sheepishly said, “Yes, sir. Thank you, sir.” Since he was right outside his police headquarters, he didn’t need to follow me. So I resumed driving at the same speed once I was around the corner. Screw him!
Yes, sir. Thank you, sir., Lucky you weren’t tasered. Smartass. /sarc
Shayne,
That’s an expensive turkey! Brining is your call. If you haven’t started yet and it is a reasonable sized bird, it probably isn’t worth the hassle at this point. However, I still highly recommend brining when time permits. For a smaller bird a five gallon pickle bucket is all you need. Actually now that I think about it, it is earlier where you live isn’t it? Maybe you do have time. You may wish to monitor your internal temp a bit more than you might with a “butterball” type turkey as cooking times will vary laregly due to the lack of injected water and the tendency toward less abnormally selected for breast meat in the heirloom birds.
I don’t know how you find all this crap, TMM. If you can find this, I wonder how much more is happening that we never hear or see. I hope this guy has a good lawyer and it gets tons of attention. This is completely insane! God Bless America, eh? Seig Heil
I’m downloading the video, and it’s going to take frickin’ FOREVER.
Maybe someone can answer some questions?
1. If a cop asks to search your car, it’s a yes or no question. Once the guy said no, did the cop put in a call for a warrant?
2. Was the guy ever put under arrest? If not, Miranda rights do not have to be read — although CYA demands that the cop do so, but they never do.
3. Was this the cop’s own dashboard camera catching him being the world’s biggest dick?
**sniff, sniff**
Smells like a tort claim in here…
Shayne & dbadass,
What is the purpose of brining a turkey? And who has a container large enough to submerge a 25 lb turkey?
Isn’t it about time for high speed, Zooey?
How are you all tonight?
Yeah, true. If I only had a job. 😀
What is the purpose of brining a turkey? And who has a container large enough to submerge a 25 lb turkey?
A poultry marinade. Don’t know the science behind it, whether it adds volume because of the salt solution resulting in a moister bird, or what, but I know I can’t do it because of my blood pressure.
Alton Brown, my favorite guy on “Good Eats”, has done a show about it.
Yeah, true. If I only had a job.
Oh yeah… that. I guess that makes it a bit difficult.
How is college going?
Zooey sez:
The man was tasered, cuffed, and put in the back of the police car. I’m pretty sure they can’t do that without arresting you.
Plus, the cop stated to the second cop that he was putting the man under arrest, so it’s a moot point, anyway.
I’m hoping for a dismissal from the force, or at least a suspension without pay, for this jackbooted thug. I’m not holding my breath, though. The pigs look after their own.
Shayne,
How old is that heirloom turkey? Mine missed the pardon yesterday and arrived today. The oysters give up the ghost about noon tomorrow when we begin the day-long ritual of preparing a single meal. Actually, we have combined the sugar pumpkin mush with a bit of bourbon and some nutmeg already. The rum enters the mix when we add the eggs and (God forbid!), the heavy cream. The crust is a treat sometimes. When the GrandD was down about two years ago, we introduced her to cinnamon sugar on residual pastry. She has cooked that up after each pie experience ever since.
After this has come to life and spread on the Internet, I thought these cops would certainly be fired.
I guess I’m being naive here?
Can I come to your house, Walt?
😉
Trip,
I wonder how many times this cop has done this shit — off camera.
I wouldn’t hold my breath for a dismissal, or much discipline. You and your pre-9/11 thinking. 😉
Any excuse for brutality…
True,
School is going well. I’ll be grateful for the end of the semester. This has been a busy one.
Mmmm, cinnamon pie crust. The best part.
Brining produces a very moist bird. It is a simple matter of soaking the bird in a saltwater brine overnight. Once you start doing it you will never go back. If I could ever get these dishes done I might be able to prep something for tomorrow. I have tried to discourage the couple who have forced themselves upon me but now I think they want a turducken cooked within an emu
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This is how the AP reports the attack: A “zap”……. oy….
Trooper Zaps Driver Over Speeding Ticket
From Associated Press
November 21, 2007 5:20 PM EST
SALT LAKE CITY – Authorities are speeding up their investigation of a state trooper who zapped a motorist with a Taser now that video of the traffic stop has been posted on YouTube, the Utah Highway Patrol said Wednesday.
Sorry, don’t know how that crap got on there.
dbadass sez:
…now I think they want a turducken cooked within an emu
Ow. Tea up the nose…
Do you want it zapped, true?
Brining a turkey draws out the fat from the dark meat and moisturizes the white meat. For a container, go to a dollar store, buy a plastic bucket, rinse it out with two tablespoons of bleach plus water to the top, then 4 ounces of white vinegar plus water to the top, rinsing out the bucket between and after each process. For the brine, I go to the beach and fill the bucket. Use the bucket for cleaning from there on.
I might add that brining a turkey takes about three days in a 40 degree F refridge.
Send money, guns and lawyers, the shit has hit the fan.
Getting back to the story, I am a bit shocked. Does driving in Utah today represent equality under the law since skin color does not enter the equation? The Mormons, have introduced a whole new definition of equality.
Coffins, would that be the shit from the arrest or the shit from the poor emu getting the turdunken ? shoved up it’s butt…I’m a lot slow tonight and it’s not real clear to me….LOL.
Regarding the arrest, seems to me we need to clean house all over our country…Scary stuff, and I would run to the best attorney money could buy if it were me.,,Blessings
Ich, an emu with a turducken suppository?
Walt, I’m on the way to your house.
All the brining suggestions I saw said 12 hours. Whole Foods, bless them, gave me a bucket to brine in. It’s 24 lbs. will 12 hours help at all? And it has some black pin feathers, should I pluck them before or after brining? Or should I just shoot myself now?
Walt, I love oysters. If I put them in my turkey stuffing I wouldn’t have to cook for my husbands family anymore. I figured out how to make caesar salad for them without anchovies by adding extra salt and parmesan cheese. I made two stuffings last year, one corn bread with pork sausage that was awesome. They didn’t like that at all.
Really, did anybody here need another reason not to go to Utah. My daughter has a friends who’s from there and they don’t even like going back to visit family.
Can’t do the brine, blood pressure under control but it wouldent be after that…No sea water around here I want to soak a fresh turkey in..In fact the only thing I would want to put sea water on would be poison oak or ivy…Heard it cures that…Love the sea but just to look at…LOL..Don’t soak anything in salt and cook with out it, everyone get’s to salt their own..I do use sea salt, isn’t that funny, but very little after thing’s are cooked….
Once again I must add this video is disgusting and that sob cop need’s to go to jail…Blessings
The video FINALLY downloaded.
Shit, that cop was totally out of line. The FIRST thing he did was taser the guy. The cop did place the guy under arrest, after the tasering, and after the guy was laying in the street, handcuffed. No rights read at any time.
That cop needs to be fired immediately. He’s a liar and control freak. He kept saying the guy “wanted to be in charge.”
There’s nothing that says you have to sign the damn ticket. All the cop has to do is write “refused to sign” and give the guy a court date. Done.
I’m going to go through the posts and respond as best I can.
“This cop actually thinks that just because he is a cop, everyone has to “obey” his instructions, no matter how unconstitutional they are.”
Basically, that’s true. You have to “obey” the instructions of a peace officer, then contest the constitutional violations later.
“I don’t think he had any reason to search the car after either.”
He didn’t ask permission to search the car. Evidence obtained subsequent to such a search may, and I stress may, be inadmissible.
A peace officer has the right to search for whatever is in plain sight, and make quite a search incident to arrest. In this case, he might have been justified in searching for accessible weapons.
“Then he did lie to that other officer about why he tasered the guy. ”
He tasered the guy before telling him he was under arrest. The peace officer is going to have a tough time explaining that to a judge. The peace officer also did not warn the man he would be tasered if he did not follow directions.
Shayne,
I do not know if 12 hours will help. I just dwell on my Mom’s instructions. She managed to deliver five kids total from the first day of Spring (me), The Normandy invasion (The triplets.) and Halloween (Final sister.)
I agrre, the cop should be a test subject in taser experimentation. Until he is, I will shirk Utah.
“Smells like a tort claim in here…”
I agree.
But to get some things straight: unless a peace officer is ordering you to put life and limb at jeapordy, s/he should be obeyed.
The best thing to do re: car searches, or any search, for that matter, is to say no. They may search anyway, but you protect your 4th amendment right by refusing consent.
now, can I knock off being a lawyer for awhile?
🙂
Happy Turkeyday, everyone!
Shayne,
Just burn off the feathers with a propane tourch. Do it on the patio as inside it will stink like Hell.
Shayne, I can vouch for that! Peeuuwwww..
So BnF, you believe that a law officer is allowed to threaten the life of an inocent citizen if said citizen offends said law officer’s sensibilities? That seems to be a bit far fetched.
I have been stewing over this all day long waiting for my duty policeman to get home. His comments are basically these: (1) The officer is not well trained in proper officer safety issues; (2) The officer did nothing outside the law given what was evident on the tape; (3) There is no requirement to read the Miranda stuff. However, if the suspect is questioned the answers he gives cannot be used; (4) Once the suspect is placed under arrest the officer has the right to search the area of the vehicle accessible to the driver and, if the driver is transported from the vehicle the officer has a right to inventory the entire vehicle if the vehicle is to be towed; (5) The question basically is whether or not Utah law requires the signing of a routine traffic ticket and dictates an arrest for refusal to sign. In Nevada and Arizona an arrest is not dictated for refusal to sign the ticket.
My Grandson is a police officer with Federal, Arizona, Nevada, and part of California jurisdiction. He is a Field Training Officer for his Department. His comment basically was that while the officer did nothing wrong he did use poor judgement. My Grandson said he would simply have written the ticket and let the driver get merrily on his way but it is impossible to judge the entire occurrence without knowledge of Utah law and without knowing the dynamics of the scene. Perhaps we doth protest too much!
At this time, I would like to state my position in the Taser discussion. With the knowledge that, at minimum, 43 deaths have been attributed to Taser use, this weapon should be considered a lethal weapon. There is no other possible conclusion. To cap the problem, deaths from Taser cops have increased at a 30% rate during 2007. The year has a bit more than a month to go.
clydetheripper
Please review the tape. The officer’s actions were criminal. His superiors admit as much.
OT (sort of..) Concerning stun guns and sleazy Bernie Kerik:
Bernie Kerik made his millions on stun guns:
(via – Wikipedia)
Kerik declared bankruptcy in October 1987 but today he is a multimillionaire, the result of a lucrative partnership with former New York Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani and a profitable relationship with a stun-gun manufacturer. His relationship since 2002 with Taser International, a Scottsdale, Arizona, manufacturer of stun guns, has by far been the biggest source of his newfound wealth, earning him more than $6.2 million in pre-tax profits through stock options he was granted and then sold, mostly in November 2004.
As a sidelight to the validity of speed traps, I was once charged with driving at 95 MPH on entering the Interstate. At the time, I had a device called The Carchip installed in the vehicle monitoring socket of the car. I also had a laptop that had the software to interpret the monitoring functions of the monitoring device. I left the car with hands raised and requested that the officer remove the monitoring device from the car as well as the laptop. With him at my side, I booted up the software and ran the speed graph for the last seven minutes of of the car’s recording. He had said that I had exceeded 95 mph, the chip showed a top of 62 mph. The limit was 70. For some reason, the judge agreed with me when it went to court (At that time, I had one of those portable printers that burn images on strange paper.)
“So BnF, you believe that a law officer is allowed to threaten the life of an inocent citizen if said citizen offends said law officer’s sensibilities? ” -WaltTheMan
November 21, 2007 at 9:36 pm
I fail to see how anything I said could even be remotely construed to such a conclusion.
Please show me the logical progression you employed in attempting to restate my beliefs.
Sorry to play the devils advocate, but this is just another example of “shot first, ask later (if he’s still alive)”. The already trigger happy police of the USA (I know, I know, i’m generalizing to hundreds of thousands or milions of people). This situation has ended a lot of times in the shooting of suspects, only to find later that the suspect was not only innocent, but that officers emptied their guns in him.
A common argument of the pro-taser people is that well, taser aren’t deadly weapons. Well, this attitude has two direct consequences: first, a taser IS a deadly weapon. Experts aknowledge that a taser can harm severely an ill person, or a person in a great state of excitement, by provoking not only heartstrokes, but other negative effects. By the way, a person entoured by cops branding their guns, even being innocent, IS in a state of great excitement, usually. Secondly, advertising it as non-lethal, simply encourage idiot cops (I’m not saying that ALL cops are idiots here) to use it for everything. A bearded guy approaches to ask for a direction? Zap him, Al Qaeda guys have beards. A driving guy is nervous because he probably has to pay a good chunk of his monthly income, simply because he was late, or a sign wasn’t visible? Zap him, probably was speeding because he’s some sort of criminal.
Therefore, and IMHO, the core of the discussion is proportionality of force, not legal rights of the citizen against legal rights of a cop, simply because, cops have a great knowledge of the law involving their job, and therefore the little legal consequences of being a jerk, but not violating the law literally. A discussion about a speeding ticket MUST NOT end in an innocent, non phisically violent citizen being tasered. If yes, the guilt is on the cop’s shoulders.
Not that I’m against the police force, either. They are guys who do what not all of us would do in daily, put their life in the line in many cases. But they must have a clear view of what is expected from them: protect the citizen, not being an abusive jerk who profits of law loopholes to act as a macho cowboy.
“Therefore, and IMHO, the core of the discussion is proportionality of force, ”
Excellent observation.
I was tasered in Berkeley California after having a pyschotic episode. Anyone can carry a taser, and it seems like they are used freely now a days. It is very scary to know that someone who has mental/emotional problems is treated by deadly force.
Nothing about it was documented anywhere in the police report I requested – only the nurse seemed to think I was tasered as I had a burn mark on my shoulder. I vaguely recall a gun like thing being pointed at me.
I was sped to an ER and then sent to a psychiatric center for evaluation where I was placed on heavy antipsychotics. Now you tell me – were my injuries hightened by a taser fire? What does 50,000 volts do to a brain? I did very poorly in the psych ward. My heart was tachy the entire time I was there. What a nightmare – I didn’t know if I was dead or alive.
It seems to be a very in vogue thing now to carry this weapon and very easy to disable/disarm someone without anyone really knowing about it or suspecting anything – except of course unless someone dies. I’m glad I didn’t. To be honest, people shouldn’t have the ability to hurt others like this and get away with it so easily or cover it up so easily.
Most of us here feel that tasers are deadly weapons and should not be carried by security or law enforcement. If an officer feels threatened then he should take action otherwise he shouldn’t be allowed to taser somebody every time somebody doesn’t respond immediately the way he feels they should. Sorry to hear about your experience and glad to hear you’re doing better now.