Aaron H. Swartz, co-founder at the age of 14 of Reddit, hung himself last Friday. While he had a history of depression the fact that the Justice Department was charging him with crimes was likely a factor in his suicide. On his show, “Up with Chris Hayes,” host Chris Hayes had this to say about the man he once knew:
You should also know that at the time of his death Aaron was being prosecuted by the federal government and threatened with up to 35 years in prison and $1 million in fines for the crime of — and I’m not exaggerating here — downloading too many free articles from the online database of scholarly work JSTOR. Aaron had allegedly used a simple computer script to use MIT’s network to massively download academic articles from the database that he himself had legitimate access to, almost 5 million in all, with the intent, prosecutors alleged, of making them freely available. You should know that despite JSTOR declining to press charges or pursue prosecution, federal prosecutors dropped a staggering 13 count felony indictment on Aaron for his alleged actions.
In a post he titled “Sick” Aaron wrote about his depression in an attempt to help others understand what it’s like.
Surely there have been times when you’ve been sad. Perhaps a loved one has abandoned you or a plan has gone horribly awry. Your face falls. Perhaps you cry. You feel worthless. You wonder whether it’s worth going on. Everything you think about seems bleak — the things you’ve done, the things you hope to do, the people around you. You want to lie in bed and keep the lights off. Depressed mood is like that, only it doesn’t come for any reason and it doesn’t go for any either. Go outside and get some fresh air or cuddle with a loved one and you don’t feel any better, only more upset at being unable to feel the joy that everyone else seems to feel. Everything gets colored by the sadness.
At best, you tell yourself that your thinking is irrational, that it is simply a mood disorder, that you should get on with your life. But sometimes that is worse. You feel as if streaks of pain are running through your head, you thrash your body, you search for some escape but find none. And this is one of the more moderate forms. As George Scialabba put it, “acute depression does not feel like falling ill, it feels like being tortured … the pain is not localized; it runs along every nerve, an unconsuming fire. … Even though one knows better, one cannot believe that it will ever end, or that anyone else has ever felt anything like it.”
According to the Huffington Post, by the Sunday after news of Aaron’s death got out, “hundreds of academics had begun tweeting links to their copyright-protected research as a protest in Swartz’s honor, using the hashtag #pdftribute.” The New York Times wrote of him as “A Data Crusader, a Defendant and Now, a Cause.” The world is not as bright a place as it was before Aaron took his own life. He will be missed by many, even those who never knew him.
If you have depression, Aaron would want you to know that help is available. You don’t have to go through it alone.
This is our daily open thread. Feel free to discuss the tragic loss of Aaron Swartz or any other topic you wish.
Interesting article from AlterNet about the history of the NRA. A few key paragraphs:
http://www.alternet.org/print/suprising-unknown-history-nra (I find it easier to read when you click to see the print version. And, yes, they spelled “Surprising” wrong.)
The NRA wasn’t founded to promote individual gun rights, no matter what anybody in teh debate says:
Despite their anti-gun-control stance today, the NRA actually helped write the nation’s first gun-control laws, which were unanimously held to be constitutional.
Good information to have to counter the lies we hear being told today.
Thanks a million Wayne. I am forever indebted to you. Driving downtown, again. 🙂
On the issue of governmental gun control, Melissa Harris Perry yesterday revisited the Black Panther Party and their, at the time, fully constitutional habit of carrying loaded weapons (as a “well regulated militia” in their perspective), and California’s 1967 Mulford Act, signed by Gov. Ronald Reagan, which prohibited carrying loaded guns in any California city.
Gun control is indeed a long-standing and bipartisan American tradition. Until now, apparently.
But no new federal gun control laws came until 1968. The assassinations of civil rights leader Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. and Sen. Robert F. Kennedy were the tipping point, coming after several summers of race-related riots in American cities. The nation’s white political elite feared that violence was too prevalent and there were too many people—especially urban Black nationalists—with access to guns. In May 1967, two dozen Black Panther Party members walked into the California Statehouse carrying rifles to protest a gun-control bill, prompting then-Gov. Ronald Reagan to comment, “There’s no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons.”
Looks like ‘St. Ronnie’ sought gun control.
Thanks for the link to the article. I sent the link to my friend in the UK.
This depresses me no end. Sharing knowledge and information is key in this time, when the amount of new knowledge fairly explodes. Having real scientific info at your fingertips instead of having to resort to Wikipedia is a real asset to me. As a user of reddit, at times a moderator for a subreddit, I value the sharing of information. This young man made knowledge more accessible. It is criminal, the way he was treated. I am deeply saddened.
While working as a psychiatric nurse, I was assigned to “suicide watch” with a severely depressed patient. As I sat across the table from her, within arm’s reach, she talked to me about how she felt. One thing she said to me has remained with me all these years, “I wish that I had cancer instead of depression because then people would realize that I am really sick.” Depression is serious especially in a person diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder. People with this disorder often times get tired of the changing cycles. Many prolific artists are Bipolar. They do their best work while in the Manic phase and then the Depressive phase hits and that is when they end their life.
The pharmaceutical industry keeps looking for the magic pill that will lift people out of their depression. So far, the medications available don’t work for everyone. My guess is that there is a genetic component that needs to be addressed.
When someone starts talking about life not being worth living, we need to take that seriously and reach out to that person.
Cats I have a son who is suffering from depression. He is now in remission, aided by medication. I know what your patient was talking about. I agree, btw, with your mentioning the genetic component. There some of it in my family. I for myself have experienced a moment when I could suddenly understand people who cut themselves just so they can feel SOMEthing. Recently, after my mother had died and all hell was breaking loose with my siblings, I was so stunned. I felt numb to a degree, I had never experienced before. I managed to get over it, but it was scary.
If we could treat one another with kindness and love, and truly listen to each other, the pain of depression might be eased without medication. Or possibly in combination with medication.
But no, let’s continue to ostracize people we perceive as “different” or “weird,” and continue to live in our insulated lives with our four walls all around us, because it’s way easier than putting ourselves out there. After all, there’s something good on teevee…a text to send…whatever, someone else will handle it.
I got through my last experience of major depression with the help of low dose SSRI (I never made it to the therapeutic dosage), a caring psychologist and a caring psychiatrist. The drug allowed me to speak without crying, the psychologist helped me discover the source of my pain, and the kind and perceptive psychiatrist always had the goal of getting me off the drug. I do think the drug helped me remember the source of my pain as I had suppressed the feelings from the event. I have been healthy ever since but I don’t take that health for granted.
Cats, that is what is happening to my son. SSRI released him, so he can address his issues and get to a normal life. Other than I feared, he doesn’t seem to be drugged, just relieved. He is still stressed and sad at times and he will still take some time to heal, but he is making huge progress. I would want him off the meds as soon as possible, but I see it is not the time yet. His therapist and psychiatrist are working very hard to get him on his feet, so we can phase out the medication. I am aware that the substance is not a blessing for all, but when closely monitored and accompanied by therapy, most get out of their depression or learn to handle it. I had none of this support. When I was younger psychological issues were hugely stigmatized. I guess my mom would have had me locked up somewhere, where noone could see she had a daughter like that. Imagine, the shame! I’m glad it is different now. I am hugely proud of my son and talking about it made me realize there are so many people out there with similar experiences and we, now, form a sort of network. It so helps to reach out.
Seems to me the federal prosecutors might have contributed a whole lot more to the overall well-being of the country, perhaps the world, if they’d have not wasted their time on Aaron Swartz and Reddit and instead charged Wayne LaPierre with thirteen counts of felonious stupidity along with the promise of 35 yrs in the can and a million dollar fine, maybe he’d have hung himself instead and made the world a better place in the process. Instead, today it’s a worse place, thanks to the unfortunate death of a brilliant young man rather than an insipid and much older fool.
What you said.
O/T – we had a new visitor that made themselves known yesterday. She has a blog where she posts some of her photos. Have a visit…. http://georgeweaver.wordpress.com/
that’s fantastic!…..what talent!
Shayne – excellent post.
I just read about him Saturday while I was waiting for Taylor at dance class on my Iphone. Fortunately Wayne made it worth reading late last night. I’m going to have to donate a kidney or something to him.
On the other had the story is so tragic. Somebody with so much talent with the ability to do so much good if the government would have let him help them instead of prosecuting and persecuting him.
You’re welcome, Shayne. We can discuss what body parts I can have the next time. 😉
Looks like the President is drawing a line in the sand.
“There are only two options to deal with the debt limit: Congress can pay its bills or it can fail to act and put the nation into default,” said Obama’s spokesman Jay Carney.
Hope he sticks to his guns and makes the GOP pay up or take the heat. Last time I looked, it was Congress who spends money.
Senator Toomey and his RWNJ that support him are already getting their knickers in a knot on Facebook. The Senator wants to pay China and Wall Street and of course, himself, and then screw the rest of us.
I don’t think these fools realize that even if you fail to pay an obligation on time, you still owe that debt, plus interest and any penalties built in to the contract. I would never loan money to a RWNJ.
Good point. They probably wouldn’t repay you.
When antidepressants cause crazy thoughts, somethings wrong with the medication and the doctor that prescibes it.
I once took an anti smoking medication that, not only did it make me feel weird, I had very strange thoughts of every one around me dying. I quit the meds and still smoke!
You don’t need meds to quit smoking. All you need is a strong desire to free yourself from the control of the tobacco industry. If you choose to quit again, we are here to help 🙂
Thanks Cats. You are right. Strong desire – will power! Soon we will try again and I will accept your help!
I will gladly provide it as I am a reformed smoker 🙂 I understand what you are going through.
dycker, each in their own time.
Everyone handles it differently. Your determination will out!
Wishing you good fortunate on your next endeavor to quit smoking.
[I was able to kick a nearly 40 year smoking habit]
i too am an ex smoker…and i’m mortified by the thought of how badly i smelled around clients. that alone is enough to keep me from ever picking up another cigarette.
i used Chantix and quitting was easy….i do realize some people suffer from various side effects.
you have me beaten by 2 years Ebb, i was at it for 38
I wonder why so many liberals are smokers?
I’ve never been a smoker, but my mom was a very heavy smoker for many years — although she had quit about 25 years before she died.
Thanks all for the encouragement. I hate that I stink. I’ve been at it for 26 years and started late. What a dupe!
dyker, don’t take the “stink” part personally. ex-smokers are the worst critics. I just wish a had stopped 30 years sooner, or had never started.
quitting is the best gift i’ve ever given myself and my family
~”Einstein loved to smoke. As he walked between his house and his office at Princeton, one could often see him followed by a trail of smoke. Nearly as part of his image as his wild hair and baggy clothes was Einstein clutching his trusty briar pipe. In 1950, Einstein is noted as saying, “I believe that pipe smoking contributes to a somewhat calm and objective judgment in all human affairs,” Although he favored pipes, Einstein was not one to turn down a cigar or even a cigarette.”~
Fatherbob, The stink thing is terrible and I do take it personally. I hate smelling it on others inside and for that reason I don’t smoke when I go to the office. And my car stinks of a blend of smoker and wet dog! Quite a combo. I want to get a new car and I want to never smoke in it, so just quit dammit!!!
Ambien can cause people to do things while they are sleeping. Yeah, you heard me correctly. What Ambien and similar drugs do is cause amnesia so a person doesn’t remember doing things. I had a bad experience with Ambien. If I take this drug once/month, I’m okay. If I take it more than two nights in a row, then strange things can happen. I remember one morning after taking Ambien the night before, Nonewhere saying to me that I must have been up during the middle of night doing something out in the kitchen. He gets up before me during the week so he was in the kitchen that morning and noticed something which he won’t tell me specifically. This frightened me as I didn’t recollect getting out of bed. There were other times when strange things happened after taking Ambien. Yes, these drugs can be dangerous.
There is an interesting book called ‘Dreamland: Adventures in the Strange Science of Sleep’. According to this book, people have committed all kinds of crime while sleep walking.
Here ya go, Cats. A parody I wrote a little over four years ago
Heh 🙂
Finding the right psychoactive medications is an ongoing process. Just about everyone responds to different meds differently. The first antidepressant I took caused me to hallucinate! My doctor, at the time, simply said that hallucinations weren’t a common side effect while i was watching waves rolling along the floor. Luckily I retained enough sanity to change doctors. After that it took about 3 years and 3 more doctors to finally get everything right for me to get my life back.
Now? I’m better than ever. I just wish that the science had been more advanced when I was younger. I also find it a bit amusing when my friends pine for their youth since much of mine was a living Hell.
Some of the reporters (Major whateverhislastnameis) came across as Repugnant Party shills…the President didn’t seem to miss a beat, though…
It was one of his best news conferences. He handled it well and he didn’t back down. I’m sure the RWNJ are pissed off.
Neato.
Yeah but ropes and leverage are far less interesting than Martians with tractor beams.
pretty cool stuff that!…
Unhand, er, unrope that moai!
He wanted to go for a walk to the ocean. 😀
The sick freaks really can’t help themselves. If there were any sane GOoPers left they would instruct their party members to never, ever, so much as mention rape. Simply saying “I don’t care about how a woman gets pregnant” would be far less damaging than their pathetic attempts to justify their abhorrent positions.
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/01/14/1441271/anti-choice-group-hosts-training-program-to-teach-republicans-how-to-talk-about-rape/
This is their, concerted, effort to make it *easier* for an overturn of Roe v Wade by stating rape wouldn’t/shouldn’t/couldn’t be reason for abortion.
Well? One of the most glaring symptoms of their insanity is the way that they flat-out lie rather than questioning their preconceptions.
Poor dead Natalie Wood, is still dead, and Robert Wagner and Christopher Walken are both still enjoying life….
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/01/natalie-wood-bruised-scratched-before-drowning-coroner-report-says.html
it’s always poor children who suffer the most cruelty a society can concoct….
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/peopleandpower/2013/01/201319121124284358.html
How unspeakably horrible.
The pro-lifers must be screaming from their pulpits about this horror.
Oh wait…
these are dark skinned children….totally expendable cockroaches.
Disgusting.
yep….
Ignorance is not bliss. It’s just fucking ignorance.
Seems religion, in the loose sense of the word, (sorcery-related) plays in the *rationalization* of the concoction men to kill children.
(much like those tales in the old testament of the bible where human and animal sacrifice to appease the god was deemed perfectly acceptable)
Fish catches man.
Watch the video on mute. Yeesh.
Yes, definitely with the sound off.
I think Department of Fish and Game are going want to talk to him.
Hope he had a license for fishing for tarpon. He clearly saw the fish in the water when he stuck his hand down there and wiggled his fingers. If you have a pole in the water and no license you get a ticket even if you don’t catch anything.
hmm, <actions have consequences
comes to mind.
I’m seeing a future Darwin award winner.
oops, that post above got mangled.
Watching the video:
comes to mind.
Oh, and I see a future ‘Darwin award’ winner!
That’s a great deal of cow flatulence (isn’t that what the Faux watching folk say causes pollution?).
It’s just a hoax to make Al Gore more money (spit!).
After a seven year silence, the SCOTUS speedbump speaks.
Naturally, it was completely irrelevant.
Thomas is a self serving prick….period
Perfectly stated, fatherbob!
Thomas is a (very bad) joke played on the citizens on this country.
After 7 years, Clarence Thomas finally breaks down, gives oral.
That puppy built a better snowman than I could.
I needed that cuteness fix.
Well Taylor booked her first commercial since she got her braces off. Only problem is we have to get her hair dyed red/strawberry blond and drive to Benton Harbor, MI. Really I just haven’t been driving enough lately.
Congratulations to Taylor!
Shayne and Taylor’s Excellent Adventure!
Congratulations Taylor and Shayne. I hope we get to see her on our TV machine soon. 🙂
Congrats to Taylor. What a gal.
That’s awesome! She is on her way. You must be so proud of her.
She’ll be so cute as a strawberry blond!
It’s going to be an Amana internet ad so maybe we’ll all get to see it. She’s excited.Her school is being really good about it. They set an audition up for her for Peter Pan that is being staged in Colorado this summer. Yikes.
Yeah, it’s wrong and I’m a bad person, but so be it.
Nah, let them eat a gun. It would do the world a favor.
Sometimes we need a dose of dark humor to purge the negative thoughts in a healthy way. Case in point:
After discussing medications earlier today I stopped by my favorite liquor store. The owner, Jon, and I always have a little friendly banter and teasing. Well? He told me that since i haven’t been drinking quite as much he might have to raise the price on my favorite beer. Since medications were still on my mind I came up with: “I take two kinds of medication. One prevents me from dying and the other prevents me from killing. You better make sure I’ve taken both if you are going to threaten to raise the price on my favorite beer!”
And good laugh was had by all. However, there are days when it’s much more true than i would like.
Please share this: January 19 is Child Appreciation Day. Let’s shout out against the gun day.
Iranian site reports on Aaron Swartz’ death, reader comments dial the crazy up to 11. Come for the Zionist kill squads, stay for the “Obama killed Tupac so he wouldn’t have to run against him for president” :
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/01/13/283254/us-kill-list-critic-found-dead-in-ny/
NRA a few days ago: It’s not guns that kill people it’s video games that glorify gun violence. NRA today: Hey kids check out this game that makes you cool because you fire guns.
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/nra-app-practice-range-86174.html
That’s the depressing part. Their internal logic is so flawed that it’s impossible to appeal to them from outside the bubble. We might as well be speaking Klingon for all the good it does to make a rational appeal.
Speaking Klingon would be making a rational appeal.
Joshua Keating gathers evidence that widespread gun ownership doesn’t translate into successful uprisings against oppressive government:
“[T]he country ranked last on the [Small Arms Survey] — with only 0.1 guns per 100 people — is Tunisia, which as you’ll recall was still able to overthrow a longtime dictator in 2011. With only 3.5 guns per 100 people, the Egyptian population that overthrew Hosni Mubarak was hardly well armed either. On the other hand, Bahrain, where a popular revolution failed to unseat the country’s monarchy, has 24.8 guns per 100 people, putting it in the top 20 worldwide. A relatively high rate of 10.7 guns per 100 people in Venezuela hasn’t stopped the deterioration of democracy under Hugo Chávez.”
(paywalled at Foreign Policy)
That’s some good observations. The gun nuts have nothing. Really, they have nothing. There is no good reason for everyone (and their dog) to have a gun.
Gee! This could end badly. Although, it would be interesting to see who exactly is on the list of “those people” who will not be invited. It would also be interesting to see a federal response of simply building a bigger, higher, stronger fence around the outside wall. Or, perhaps, a big ass dome over the top?
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/liberty-driven-fortress-community-being-planned-in-idaho
What do you expect from Dumbfuckistan? And why do these fuckwits have to move to the most beautiful places — and ruin them?
The Citadel name is already taken.
How about Ted Nugentville?
I doubt they could afford to make the walls high and thick enough to prevent Ted from shitting himself.
One Predator drone flyover could produce a serious panic in that place.
I’m envisioning an ant farm type movement once the trail has been breached…
scurrying in different direction – more than likely shooting each other in the process.
(oh the video would be entertaining)
It would make for a better spectator sport than the running of the bulls, boxing, and rugby combined. A bit chaotic but every second would be packed with action. At least it would be action packed until they all collapsed on the ground and started speaking in tongues and praying for their God to deliver them from their folly. Half of the survivors would probably enter a catatonic state and that’s no fun to watch.
I think it would be more fun if the “evil gubmint” just let them build their little utopia and then padlock all the exits from the outside.
Be sure to turn off the water supplied by the government.
“Marxists, Socialists, Liberals and Establishment Republicans will likely find that life in our community is incompatible with their existing ideology and preferred lifestyles.”
Fascists welcomed. All others need not apply.
Exactly! Can you imagine what would happen to any of the children who discovered they were gay? And let’s not even bring up anyone who might not be 100% Caucasian.
With this crowd, if you are white, you are alright. If you are black, you better stay back. If you are brown, don’t stick around.
Geniuses are going to gather all in one place to start their revolution. I guess they’ve never heard of drones or some of the new weapons the government has.
Red Hot Chilli Pipers
– We Will Rock You & Eye of the Tiger
– Hellbound Train
If the Republicans refuse to deal with the debt ceiling and cause the US economy to collapse, are those involved in the action then guilty of committing a treasonous act?
Does ‘levying war against’ the United States presume any form other than guns and bombs? Is the orchestration of economic collapse immune from being classified as ‘an act of war’? Just curious
Well? I seem to recall reading that flooding the market with counterfeit currency is an act of sabotage but I’m not sure if it would meet the standards of treason. Still, the way that the Reichwhiners whine about devaluing currency, one would think it would carry a harsh penalty.
One can also learn much about their intentions by studying the stuff they project upon all of us “libruls”. Now that Bolling has signed on I would say it’s a near certainty that the Reichwhiners are doing everything in their power to crash the economy before the 2014 midterms.
http://mediamatters.org/video/2013/01/14/foxs-bolling-asks-if-decline-in-america-is-part/192230
Crashing the economy is only going to hurt them in 2014. The tea baggers will not be happy if they don’t get their government checks on time.
True. But? It didn’t stop them in 2004-2008.
Beck plans to build a self-sustaining community. A commune by any other name…
Glenn Beck announces plans for Independence, USA | The Lookout – Yahoo! News
Just like the other freaks from Idaho; I say let them build their utopia and then lock all the doors from the outside.
Plus. I’ve seen a few of Beckyboy’s ideas about natural science. I can damned well guarantee that he won’t include anyone who actually knows how to feed themselves much less a whole community. They would starve within days of eating the last MRE they brought in unless they resort to cannibalism.
Yeah, lock them in. 🙂
Will the US government be imposing tariffs on any goods that leave these isolated communities? Will the residents of these communities be importing goods from China?
What a freak show.
Let them build their fortresses and then put a fence around with a border guard.
Corporate “journalism” at it’s best (worst).
CBS Puts CNET in an Ethically Questionable Spot at CES – Technology – The Atlantic Wire
A bit convoluted…or just a difficulty when a monopoly is involved?
Hi, zxbe. Are you enjoying our winter? I actually had to wear my long underwear when I went for my walk today. I feel cheated when i don’t need long underwear. Sigh… Back to 20s and 30s within a few days. Since there still isn’t safe ice on my favorite ice fishing spots I’ll just have to go out and fly my planes. Damn! I sure would welcome a mess of perch fillets.
I was pouring through some weather data and we have had only one day this winter, here in the South Metro, that didn’t reach double digits. Historically, we start to warm up after the 25th of January. 10 days till it starts getting warmer? I can’t help but love that idea even if the implications are disturbing. At least we are creating a perfect environment for bark beetles and other invasive species from the south.
I just had to do more research on the Citadel. This community will be self-sustaining with its major industry being a gun manufacturing facility. Another source of expected income will be tourism where gun enthusiasts can fire their favorite weapon at the firearms museum. Here, read all about it… http://iiicitadel.com/index.html
What could possibly go wrong in this community of ‘patriots’?
They just keep getting crazier and crazier with each passing day. Sometimes it’s with each passing hour.
BTW. If they are selling guns and vacations in order to be “self-sustaining” would they not need at least one trading partner and a whole mess of tourists? That doesn’t sound very self-sustaining to me. I would just treat the whole thing with amusement but I keep thinking that it will turn into “The Hills Have Eyes” once the money and food runs out.
They’ll end up shooting each other. The first law on their books will be ‘Stand Your Ground’. These fascists won’t be able to get along with each other because they can’t compromise. They lack social skills. Living in a community requires working together and that will never happen with this crowd.
On a more serious note: It’s very disturbing that some people think the lessons to be learned from Ruby Ridge and Waco are more guns and thicker walls.
They never learn.
Lurnin is fer libruls.
I think it’s got sumthin’ ta do with tha Debbil too.
Hmmmm. A poster at MMfA threw out the idea that the decline of the afternoon “yell shows”, like Maury Povitch and Jerry Springer, coincided with the rise of FAUX”News”. Is this a coincidence or did the inbred, white trash, audience just change channels so they could watch better dressed people behave in the same way?