The Watering Hole: May 10 – Stonewall Jackson

On this day in 1863, General Stonewall Jackson died of complications of pneumonia 8 days after having an arm amputated after Confederate pickets accidentally shot him during the Battle of Chancellorsville.

While most historians have focused on Jackson’s military career, few focus on his support for the education of blacks in his time, see this and this for examples.

43 thoughts on “The Watering Hole: May 10 – Stonewall Jackson

  1. Just a link from Mike Finnigan at C&L, that I really enjoyed reading this morning.

    The Giuliani Conspiracy

    And yet, that’s the only way that Giulian’s position makes any sense: If he imagines that we get to torture people until we read them their rights, which means we need to do away with this right. But again, there’s nothing magical about Miranda and rights can’t be stripped away just because they’re inconvenient. But I suppose, if we want to convince rightwingers of this, we just need to capture a Tea Partier Terrorist, evoke the “public safety exception” of Miranda, and wait for the howls of protests from wingnuts across the country.

    I watched This Week yesterday, but after about twenty seconds of Ghouliani, I switched over to Meet The Press and watched David Gregory ask Eric Holder the same questions that I had watched Jake Tapper ask in the prior fifteen minutes. When I went back to This Week, I only rewound the show back to the start of the roundtable.

  2. Whilst enlightened for his day, this excerpt shows that it was his religious bent that was responsible for this attitude, like many patronizing Xians…

    His second wife, Mary Anna Jackson, taught with Jackson, as “he preferred that my labors should be given to the colored children, believing that it was more important and useful to put the strong hand of the Gospel under the ignorant African race, to lift them up.”

    • Good morning, all!

      Today is Physiology day — study up and take the exam this afternoon. Lucky me!

      One question: If old Stony was such a good religious man, how come god didn’t grow his arm back? What a bastid.

  3. So it seems that the GOP plans to quiz Kagan on how she feels about the constitutionality of the Health Care Reform act. Apparently it’s the litmus test du jour.

    I think this is a non-starter in terms of getting her to commit herself. It’s an ongoing case, that will likely make its way to the SCOTUS, and she may likely hear that case. She can easily use the “I can’t comment on an ongoing case” response.

    The GOP will be playing to their base, of course, and keep the idea alive that they want to repeal health care reform which is pretty much a dead issue legislatively. So the right’s current best hope is for the SCOTUS to strike parts of it down.

  4. Z you blogged the hell outta this thing over the weekend. I’ll be all day catching up. Thanks for consolidating so much interesting stuff.

  5. zxbe,

    If I were Kagan being asked about the constitutionality of the HCR, I’d respond something like this:

    It is up to a majority of the entire supreme court to decide which cases it hears based on the merits of the arguments presented for deliberation.
    Along with my prospective colleagues I will consider any argument put forth and will accept the majority decision of my colleagues to either hear or reject the arguments presented.
    That’s how the system works, those are my responsibilities and I shall conform to the demands of the position as a Supreme Court Justice. I cannot be expected to express a worthwhile opinion based on presumed arguments, but only on arguments actually presented and accepted as being reasonably valid according to the majority consensus of the Supreme Court justices to hear specific arguments.

    Now, lets move on shall we?

    • God dammit! I want to take my Physiology exam, but the stupid landscapers next door have decided to start blasting their fucking country music at top volume.

      Fuck you, you fucking fucks!

  6. We’ve tried to be quiet so you could focus on your schoolwork, Zooey.

    Sestak Tied With Specter Going Into The Weekend

    Same Poll Out Today Shows Sestak +5

    Latest Rasmussen Poll Corroborates Muhlenberg College Poll

    Somehow, I just couldn’t see a likeable guy like Sestak losing to a career Republican in a Democratic primary, and if Sestak now looks viable to Pennsylvania Dems, I think a lot of people who supported Specter will flip to Sestak despite the DNC endorsement.

    • You’re doing a great job, House. 😆

      The idiots have packed up their tunes and shovels, and going home. I’ll start my exam in a few minutes. Wish me luck!

  7. HoR – I’ll be voting for Sestak next Tuesday. As the primary grows closer, Joe Sestak is becoming better known throughout the State. Besides, Joe has an excellent chance of beating “Club For Growth” Toomey in November. Thanks for the links.

  8. Also, I’ll be voting for Onorado for Governor. He is young, accomplished and smart and will be able to easily beat Corbett in November. There is a progressive female running in the primary who I will be endorsing at the polls. She is up against a “proud to be a blue dog” Democrat who voted “Nay” on health care. Hope she wins.

    • Thanks, gummitch.

      No idea how I did, because he stuck an essay question in there. The bastard. He has to look at that before the grade will be released. I’m sure I passed, but I doubt I will get an A. No amount of studying will get an A from this prof’s crappy exams.

      This was the worst class I’ve ever taken, and I’m glad it’s over. And I’ll never take another course from this particular professor. Grrrr….

  9. (was it the subject or the professor that made it ‘the worst class’?)

    An essay in a Physiology exam? Do tell –

    • It was the professor. Ugh.

      I had to compare and contrast various G proteins. Blech.

      The bad part is that G proteins, while essential, are not the least bit interesting.

  10. From Judge H. Lee Sarokin on Huffington Post.

    The entire argument is predicated upon the presumption of guilt. Yes, in this case, it appears that we have caught the perpetrator red-handed. The evidence of his guilt is overwhelming, so the argument for treating him differently has some visceral appeal. But let’s test it by the facts of this very case. For a considerable period of time, law enforcement (and I imagine a vast majority of the world) suspected the man seen on a security camera taking off and changing his shirt and looking furtively at the car with the bomb in it was the terrorist. He turned out to be completely innocent, but for some time, he was clearly a suspect. If arrested, should he have been given his Miranda warnings and other constitutional rights; should he have been subjected to “enhanced interrogation”; should he have been processed in a military tribunal, if they decided to proceed against him?

    Pretty chilling example, in my mind, of the ultimate reason why we must have due process. Or an innocent person, at the wrong place at the wrong time, could get swept away.

    My additional thoughts on my own blog.

  11. 5th,

    Yeah I expect her to have a very smooth and polished (and well-rehearsed) rebuttal to such line of questioning. And they’ll keep coming at her from different angles, and she’ll most likely stick to the eloquent version of “no comment.”

  12. of course that should be a ¡ at the beginning.

    (Once was in the crowd with César Chávez that marched from SF to Modesto)

    • That reminds me, ebb.

      About a month ago, I was enjoying a mariachi band playing in the commons to celebrate Ceasar Chavez Day, and some moronid Idaho redneck started shouting about illegal immigration/Limbaugh/Beck talking points. I thought the leader of the mariachi band handled it quite well — he didn’t address the redneck, but merely struck up the band in a new and very loud number.


      • My son is watching “The Great Escape,” and I’ve been banished to my office, due to my excessive Paul Newman drooling.

        He calls Newman the “salad dressing guy.” That is just SO wrong.

    • Oh fuck, another set of actor I get confused. Steve McQueen and Paul Newman. 😳

      Now I can renew my drooling with the proper name — thanks, Turtle!

      Thank goodness my son inherited my confusion. 😛

  13. Getting old Zoo. Happened to my ma too:

    “Ooh I love me some Cary Grant”

    “I think that’s Jimmy Stewart, this is Vertigo isn’t it?”

    “Ooh I love me some Jimmy Stewart”…

  14. “he didn’t address the redneck, but merely struck up the band in a new and very loud number.”

    Great response.

    My youngest sibling was born in 1965 – his first word was ‘Huelga’ – Spanish for ‘strike’!

    The family was deep into social justice and the idea that farm workers worked sun-up to sun-down using short handled hoes; no potable water and no sanitation facilities just didn’t jive.
    There were meetings at the house – to discuss the grape boycott and the ‘strikes’ that were in the fields. My brother also mangled Si Se Puede although it came out ‘spud’.

  15. Steve McQueen and Paul Newman both seriously raced cars. James Garner also raced some, and was also in The Great Escape.

  16. James Garner raced? He’s so humorous and a “bleeding heart liberal”!

    House, how did the moving parts go? Is there an end insight?

  17. G’nite Zooey!


    I’ve got it down to stuff I can move with my car now. We picked up the truck yesterday, loaded, unloaded, and returned the truck by about 11:30 last night. It rained today, and I didn’t move around much.

    James Garner was always great. I still watch Maverick when it’s on the Encore Western channel. The best scene he ever did, though, was in The Thrill of It All, when he drove the convertible into the pool that wasn’t in his back yard when he left for work that morning. The look on his face as he sank into the water was unreal funny!

  18. Sounds like there may be an end to the moving parts – that’s good.

    Oh, I almost forgot about Maverick – he is a good actor.

  19. After I started watching Maverick again, I found out something I never knew. Cousin Beauregard Maverick was played by Roger Moore, in his pre-James Bond days.

  20. It’s funny how that works – seeing stars before they were stars.

    Twilight Zone was like that. Seeing ‘now big’ stars as ‘bit players’.

    G’night House, sleep well!

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